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Tuesday, 30 October 2007

On this forum I have seen occasional requests from western-born Chinese for information or a view on life in China, particularly from the countryside, from the rural China that the west hears so little about. I have tried here to give a picture of the life of women in rural China and what things have been like. Of course things have improved since the Revolution, notably for women's rights but for the majority of women life is still grindingly hard.

One treasure that Chinese women have is their bond of sisterhood as either LaoTang or even more precious as LaoTong and sharing the secret language of NuShu. Here I will give a little insight into the benefits of these blessings.

In the Chinese countryside, there are, maybe, 800 million people, who live on less than $1 USD a day [1]. In many places, even today, money has no value and a barter economy exists. Upon her marriage, like chattel, a woman passes into her husband's family house. She may never see her own family again. If her in-laws are kind and she can promptly produce a son she will have honour. The cruel reality for many women is the marriage was agreed upon when they were children; perhaps, to settle family debts. The woman's husband may be much older than her. If she can't provide a son she may face beatings and ridicule from her husband and his family. If she has a daughter the baby may be killed at birth because a daughter is regarded as a burden and of no value to the family, except as a source of pleasure to her mother. Female infanticide is illegal in China, but the reality is it still happens. This is a grim reality in many other countries, such as India, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, India, and Pakistan. [2][3] For millions of women, maybe over half the women on earth, life is worse than slavery.

Rural women do not know love in the way Western women do. They cannot choose their own husbands and intimate relations are not trivial recreational pleasures as in the West, but part of the grim reality of trying to produce a son, possibly with someone they hate. Giving birth can be a painful, primitive experience; the woman has a high chance of not surviving and, if she gives birth to a girl, she may wish she hadn't survived. I speak from personal experience; these circumstances were part of my mother's life and also her mother's.

In 2000, a United Nations report estimated that nearly 80 million females are missing in South Asia alone and attributed this number to sex-selective abortion and infanticide as well as food favouritism. In some parts of China and India [4] there are now eight women to every ten men. The consequences of this situation are painfully obvious. You might expect that market forces would prevail and that women would become more valued but this is never the case. Men always provide the demand, control the supply and do the selling. Female abduction and rape are on the increase. In many societies, once a woman is raped she becomes "untouchable" and her life is ruined. Assuming her own family does not kill her to save the family honour; she has one of two choices: she can become a prostitute or kill herself.

In many countries, "Female Genital Mutilation" (FGM) is practiced, not because of religion, but as part of a strict following of societal traditions. Many women are not regarded as "respectable" unless this is done. I won't go into the details of FGM – you can look this up for yourself if you have the stomach for it. It ranges from the "mild" to the hideously extreme. [5] This is all done in the name of love and family respectability. Fortunately, FGM was never practiced in China. Our crime was "Foot-binding" and this you can look up too. The cruel practice was lovingly done to little girls, usually before their seventh birthday to make them more "attractive" to men and, consequently, crippled them. In 10% of cases the girl would die of complications such as gangrene and blood-clotting. Mercifully, it was outlawed after the Revolution. [6]

In rural China up to one million women kill themselves every year. They drink insecticides, hang, drown and set themselves on fire. This is not solely attributed to a severe reaction to sexual humiliation, but, at its roots, is due to the despair, grinding poverty, hard-work and, maybe, the cruel treatment endured by women in rural areas. [7]

It is common to hear Chinese women refer to each other as "Sisters." There is a good reason for this. Sisterhood created a significant support network for women in rural regions and gave them strength. The idea of "Sworn-Sisters" or LaoTang became common. A LaoTang relationship between several women was normally part of the preparation for marriage and the sisterhood would be dissolved upon marriage but different sisterhoods could be formed later between married or widowed women.

More precious would be a LaoTong or "Old-Sames" relationship. This was a more rare and formal relationship between women and was exclusive and life-long. Often a LaoTong relationship would be formed when a marriage was contracted between families "in-utero" before the babies were born but both children turned out female against the hopes of their families. Otherwise a LaoTong relationship would be formed through an intermediary like a match-maker much like an arranged marriage. Women of suitable birthdays, ages, backgrounds and birth-signs would be paired this way in a bond of exclusive sisterhood that would last a lifetime and would survive marriage, child-birth and widow-hood. A LaoTong relationship would be rarely renounced or broken.

In some regions women learnt the secret written language of women called NuShu. [8][9] This is the only known language created by women, for women. It allowed women to communicate their innermost feelings to their LaoTong or LaoTang sisters. In 2002, a study indicated suicide rates in rural China outnumber urban ones three to one, and female suicide rates are 25% higher than that of men. [10] However, in regions where NuShu's use was most common, suicide rates were substantially lower. Through NuShu women were able to share their innermost feelings that they would otherwise have to suppress. NuShu made expression possible and living bearable. If you want to learn more about LaoTong relationships and NuShu read Lisa See's book "Snow Flower and the Secret Fan." [11]

Now, I believe there is at least some glimmer of light for women in China. The Chinese government is providing the means for village girls to spend time in industry to complete their education and make some money. The young women work for three years in the large factories in Southern China. When they go back to their villages, they have money, education and honour. They can set up their own small businesses and have material resources to choose their own husbands. For first time in 4,000 years, rural Chinese women have a value in their society and truly "Hold up half the sky."

[1] The Status of Socially Vulnerable Groups in China, In Defense of Marxism, 14th November 2003
[2] Goodkind, Daniel. (1999). Should Prenatal Sex Selection be Restricted?: Ethical Questions and Their Implications for Research and Policy
[3] A. Gettis, J. Getis, and J. D. Fellmann (2004). Introduction to Geography, Ninth Edition. New York: McGraw-Hill. pp. 200. ISBN 0-07-252183-X
[4] Srinivasan, Sandhya. "Laws Fail to Remedy Skewed Sex Ratio
[5] Female genital mutilation, World Health Organization
[6] A lesson on Foot-binding in China, Nancy Miles, http://www.international.ucla.edu/shenzhen/2002ncta/miles/index.htm
[7] Women Suicides Reflect Drudgery of Rural Life By Antoaneta Bezlova, IPS
[8] NuShu: A Hidden Language of Women, Chiang, 1992
[9] Introduction to the World of NuShu, http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~orie/home.htm
[10] Bertolote & Fleischmann 2002
[11] Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, Lisa See, Bloomsbury, ISBN 9780747583004

Alice Chun is a musician born in a small village in Guangxi Province on the LiJiang in 1969. She moved first to Zhuhai and then Hong Kong in 1996 and then to the UK in 1997. When not playing violin she can be found “helping out” in restaurants and working as a dental receptionist.

 
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Susan S. Cheung - Empathy for rural Chinese wome Posted 16:25 on 1 November 2007
Dear Alice,

Thank you for raising a subject, which we don't hear much about in the west and for sharing your personal, first-hand knowledge of the lives of rural women in China.

It does seem the gaps between urban and rural areas in China are immense and, especially, for women it is a bitter life to bear. I hope the glimmer of light you mentioned increases for rural women and they are given the opportunities to pull themselves out of poverty and make their own choices.
Alice Chun - empathy for rural chinese wome Posted 21:35 on 1 November 2007
Dear Susan,

Thank you for your comments. In parts of China such as Beijing-Tianjin corridor, Shenzhen, Shanghai you find people as rich as anywhere on earth but in the countryside millions of people live in poverty. The difference between rich and poor is one of the biggest problems China Government has to deal with.

This is why Chinese democracy and ecconomic model is so different to that of the west. The wealth has to be distributed without total breakdown of the system or triggering mass-migrations to the cities. China needs our support to prevent chaos from occuring. Everytime I return to China I am encouraged by the wise steps the Government has made to help a peaceful transfer of wealth.

I have great hopes for the future of Chinese women and the contribution that they will make to the development of China.

Thank you again for your comments.
Anonymous Posted 8:25 on 7 November 2007
Thanks Alice for a very well written, informative and moving article. When I was growing up as a young boy in Hong Kong it was a time of great social upheaval and I recalled hearing about these things on the radio without fully understanding of it other than having a feeling that I lived in a very cruel world. I felt a relieved than to hear of the liberating influence of Jesus Christ.
Yesterday I was at a lost as to how China and other SE Asian countries has inherited a population problem. I now feel part of the answer is traditional treatment of woman - "If she can't provide a son she may face beatings and ridicule from her husband and his family." I remember how so many couples tried so hard to get a boy.
Alice Chun Posted 23:39 on 7 November 2007
Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for your comments. Yes in past many people in China not understand how baby is made and was always the woman fault. Not understand that man make the gender and woman decide how many. I remember my mother knew this and my grandmother was so shock when we discus this. She did not know that sex of baby was man doing. Also it went against all tradition to think that man may be reason that woman cannot have baby. She was brought up to believe that everything to do with baby was woman fault.

Now mercyfully woman is more equal in China than perhaps anywhere on earth at least in cities. In countryside, well is still a different matter. However Chinese woman have a value at last and we make equal contribution to society.
Anonymous Posted 18:32 on 8 November 2007
It was amusing to hear loose talk about influencing the sex of the child in the 60's. To-day we know that scientifically there is little of significant we can do but there are still people peddling snake oils to the ignorant. Sadly the hearts and mind of many people are still the same, for example in India people choose to use medical advance such as ultra sound scan to find out the sex of a child while in the womb and have it aborted if it is a girl.
While the teaching of Jesus offered liberation, the Catholic church did not as it banned the use of artificial birth control back in the 60's.
Tasha Posted 20:19 on 4 December 2007
Im doing a paper on a story called "No Name Woman" by Maxine Hong Kingston. It's for my College writing class and this article helped me with my paper a lot because I have to talk about the lives of women in rural China. If you haven't read "No Name Woman", please do so. It is very good.
Alice Chun Posted 1:53 on 6 December 2007
Dear Tasha,

I am pleased that my article was of help to you. I will certainly look out for No Name Woman and read it.

Best of luck with your studies.

Alice Chun
Alice Chun - Woman Warrior Posted 0:48 on 10 December 2007
Dear Tasha,

Aiya, I have now read this book and is regretably unhappy stories like this are all to true. I have heard of such things in rural China.

My mother told me of such things happen many year ago. Mercyful since revolution I think would not happen now.

Good luck with study

Alice
Anonymous Posted 14:38 on 6 February 2008
I was born in mainland China and have been studying and living in UK for about 10 years, I know China very well. I did agree some of your views of rural women life in China, but most of your comments are rubbish. China did have many things need to be developed, as well as there are rich and poor, good and bad like anywhere in the world..you should NOT use your own personal life and experence to refer to all countryside women.

By the way, do you really feel 'good' for writing this kind of rubbish to please Western?
Anonymous Posted 9:54 on 26 February 2008
I normally do not like to comment on other's viewpoints. But after reading this article, i have to say that many of the things the author stated are not true now. I am from a rural village in China and what I have experienced and seen is very different.
Anonymous Posted 10:20 on 26 February 2008
Only the last paragraph is more true about today's women in China. The rest is about old China.
Alice Chun Posted 22:34 on 8 May 2008
Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for your comments. I too was born in China and return there frequent. I am surprised at your statement that you agree with some of my views, that things need to change and then go on to say that my views are rubbish. Which ones exactly? You do not say if you are man or woman. That would at least give context to your statement.

Yes I do feel good about this article. I did not write to “please western” as there are very few westerners who would see this article, if I wanted to make a popular point I would have chosen a reactionary western newspaper. The article is very mild and hopeful in outlook and would not cause offence in China. It is supportive of modern China Government policy towards women and there are many more critical issues exposed in contemporary Chinese media. China is now a modern, peaceful and largely democratic society by the standards of most countries in the World and the equality afforded to women is excellent, if not better than many western countries.

There have been tremendous improvements since the revolution and young Chinese women are playing a full role in the development of China. However, hundreds of millions of people still live in poverty in rural China and the discrepancy between the wealth of the cities and the poverty of the countryside is the biggest challenge The Chinese People’s Government faces to complete the dream of a modern and equable society. I am confident that this will be achieved.

Your intervention is unfortunate as it will be seen as confirming western prejudices. What they now see is a Chinese woman writing a mild article calling for greater woman’s equality and being attacked by a clumsy, anonymous, “government censor.”

Alice Chun
Meg Snowball - Thanks Posted 12:14 on 9 July 2008
Dear Alice,
You may be wrong about Western people reading this article. I am from Australia and I found it very informative. I was interested in the relationship that women could have with other women to help them through good and bad times. How lovely to have a LoaTong. It was beautiful to think how women looked after each other as sworn sisters. I wish I could have some of these now in my life.
Alice Chun - LaoTong Posted 1:19 on 21 July 2008
Dear Meg,

I am happy you found my little article useful. As some people have pointed out China has changed much but the concept of having a "Sworn-Sister" still happens but perhaps not as much as it did. It is something I miss too. The joy of having a lifelong friend would be most wonderful now that the single child policy in China has reduced families so much.

Now in the west I have friends I sometimes call "Sister" but it is not the same depth.

I hope that you meet friends to discus problems. Do you live in remote part of Australia?

Zhu Hao,

Alice
S.K.Lee - Beijing Olympics 2008 Posted 11:48 on 3 August 2008
Dear Alice,
I understand that you are taking part in the opening and closing ceremony of the Beijing Olympics playing violin. Is that correct? If so, good luck and may the Olympic Games in Beijing be the best ever Olympics and a peaceful one.
Bhavana Kansal - Snowflower and the secret fan Posted 7:03 on 8 February 2009
Alice,
I recently read this book by Lisa See who went to China to research the lives of women in rural China. She heard translated stories from women and saw the latticed chambers. I used to think this was all part of old China and things are much different now, but looks like they aren't. I guess on some level I can understand it, being from India but now living in the west. Majority of the people, even who call themselves "educated" believe in traditions from the past,example, dowry and respect & hospitality of son-in-law but work expectations from daughter-in-law.
Anyhow, the thought of Lao Tong and Nu-Shu is very fancy.
Thanks for the informative and mildly put article.
Sheryl from Indiana - Snowflower and the Secret Fan Posted 18:14 on 12 March 2009
I am also reading the book by Lisa See and went to the internet for a more complete understanding of foot-binding, nu-shu and Lao Tong. Thank you for your explanations. I perceive that this was the case in old China and would like to believe it no longer exists, though your experience cannot be doubted.
Alice Chun - Snowflower and the Secret Fan Posted 1:55 on 30 March 2009
Dear Bhavana Kansal and Sheryl,

Thank you for your comments.

SnowFlower and the Secret Fan is a most beautyful book and I also enjoyed it very much. Have you read some of Lisa's other books? Lisa is very friendly and accessible. Her website is easy to find. www.Lisasee.com

best regards,

Alice
Nina Mangan - Xie Xie Posted 1:18 on 14 April 2009
I am so pleased to have found your article just as I am reading SnowFlower and the Secret Fan. I stumbled upon the book by accident, and realized that although I had studied Mandarin Chinese quite intensely while in the army, I had never had the opportunity to learn about the people of China, most especially those in the countryside. I have done some research into the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, but that does not embrace the woman's part. I was so delighted to find that my best friend and I have been "old sames" for some time and never knew it! I am curious, though, surely there is a different name for the Sworn Sisters? LaoTong I readily recognized, but shouldn't the sworn sisters of Daughter Days and Woman Days be a different name?

Thank you for helping us peek into a different way of life, and may you continue to grow and reach for ever better experiences!

Most sincerely,

Nina
Meg From Australia - Snowflower and the Secret fan Posted 13:20 on 11 June 2009
Like Meg Snowball, I am currently reading Snowflower and the Secret Fan and did a Google search to learn more about Lao Tong, Lao Tang, and foot binding.
Thank you so much for the information you have given me and others.
Meg
Mildred - Snowflower and the Secret Fan Posted 2:36 on 21 July 2009
[color=navy]I to am currently reading Snowflower and the Secret Fan. Thanks to a random librarian who made this suggestion. Reading and learning about all the different cultures in world is fascinating.
Lets all keep reading and learning.[/color]
haiku Posted 9:45 on 5 August 2009
i would like to say that i might have a modern-day laotong relationship. i am not from china, nor is my friend. i did not know of laotong until after our friendship began. and it wasn't a matchmaker that brought us together, but the internet.

we have been friends for 6 years now. we have hand written letters to each other, sent gifts, and cried to each other many times. we share the grief of our lives with each other. these are things we save for only each other.

she is stuck in an unhappy marriage, with one child, and another on the way. i am stuck on the other side of the world, in a relationship that is pointless. our hearts are bound to each other. and though we do not know the hardships of rural chinese women, we carry on their legacy of laotong with a sense of pride, as well as a sense of connection, simply because we are women. in that way, we are connected to them.

she and i are like a pair of mandarin ducks.
Mike - what is OUT? Posted 6:01 on 25 September 2009

Alice Chun, you should come back to china again to have a research before you want to give any comments on china.You must be a history coz what you said was a history also.
Your article shows on 2007,but what you said was 1977 or 1987 in china!!
Do you know what is "make use of the experience of selected units to promote work in the entire area"?
Huang Chi Yun - China Posted 3:30 on 2 October 2009
Hi to all
Dear Alice - "snow flower and the secr Posted 23:08 on 4 October 2009
I am from Peru, South America. I just finished reading Lisa See's wonderful book and was very curious and interested about "nu shu","laotong" and foot binding. Searching in internet I found your very interesting and intelligent article. Thank you very much for it. I think that most chinese women are remarkable and brave and hope with all my heart that this era will bring them liberation from ignorance, superstion and the right to keep their daughters. I am glad to know there are improvements. Hopefully "nu shu" and "laotangs" and "laotongs" will always survive. Forgive me for not being fully able to express myself in English, which is not my language. I am visiting California and soon will return to Peru.
I hope you keep on writing and opening our minds.
Thank you. Teresa Lama
Diana - Puerto Rico - Women's life in China Posted 20:28 on 16 August 2010
I have read several of Lisa See's books. Because of them I have become interested in the Chinese culture. Looking for more information is how I found your article, which is quite fascinating. It is terrible to realize that in so many countries women are second class citizen - or worse. Yet we also need to take a look all around us. Women everywhere are still being mistreated and abused. Even in America we still see the machismo and women being beaten, demeaned or not allowed to live the life they truly deserve. It is in each and one of us to make the difference, make the change and raise our daughters to be independent, proud, accept themselves for who they are and not what is expected of them and for them to be self-sufficient. I am lucky to have a wonderful life, yet I see so much suffering and acceptance from other women, still today.
b.o.b. Posted 16:54 on 19 October 2010
Even in America we still see the machismo and women being beaten, demeaned or not allowed to live the life they truly deserve. It is in each and one of us to make the difference, make the change and raise our daughters to be independent, proud, accept themselves for who they are and not what is expected of them and for them to be self-sufficient. I am lucky to have a wonderful life, yet I see so much suffering and acceptance from other women, still today.Alice Chun, you should come back to china again to have a research before you want to give any comments on china.You must be a history coz what you said was a history alsobeen friends for 6 years now. we have hand written letters to each other, sent gifts, and cried to each other many times. we share the grief of our lives with each other. these are things we save for only each other.

she is stuck in an unhappy marriage, with one child, and another on the way. i am stuck on the other side of the world, in a relationship that is pointless. our hearts are bound to each other. and though we do not know the hardships of rural chinese women, we carry on their legacy of laotong with a sense of pride, as well as a sense of connection, simply because we are women. in that way, we are connected to them.

she and i are like a pair of mandarin ducks.Yes I do feel good about this article. I did not write to “please western” as there are very few westerners who would see this article, if I wanted to make a popular point I would have chosen a reactionary western newspaper. The article is very mild and hopeful in outlook and would not cause offence in China. It is supportive of modern China Government policy towards women and there are many more critical issues exposed in contemporary Chinese media. China is now a modern, peaceful and largely democratic society by the standards of most countries in the World and the equality afforded to women is excellent, if not better than many western countries.

There have been tremendous improvements since the revolution and young Chinese women are playing a full role in the development of China. However, hundreds of millions of people still live in poverty in rural China and the discrepancy between the wealth of the cities and the poverty of the countryside is the biggest challenge The Chinese People’s Government faces to complete the dream of a modern and equable society. I am confident that this will be achieved
Barry - wrong Posted 1:35 on 28 October 2010
It is all wrong I am Chinese . come China you can know
Diane L. - Teach your daughters?? Posted 5:15 on 11 March 2011
I came upon this website and conversation because I am halfway through Lisa Sees "Snowflower and the Secret Fan" which I am reading with my book club. I am a canadian and any women issues interest me. I always see comments like my subject states
"teach your daughters" (to be stronger)Yes, that is important to teach your daughters, but more importantly, those of you with sons (like me I have 3). " Teach your sons" to respect women ...period. This is where the groundwork really needs to begin. I am not Asian, but women in most countries have had to experience some sort of suppression. Please "Teach your Sons"!!!
Obzurvur - obzurvur@lavabit.com Posted 20:31 on 14 May 2011
Women as property has a long tradition in almost all cultures. It's remained popular through the centuries because it is profitable.

While there have been some moves toward the view of women as standalone human beings with intrinsic worth as such, and unrelated to their value (or lack thereof) as a market commodity, by and large the old saying remains true:

"Every man believes his country has the most beautiful women - and the most superior ways of oppressing them."

We can all hope that our species will evolve and progress, and that the concept of women as property will give way to the reality-based acceptance of the principle that we are all of equal value, regardless of our gender, but cultural change is the slowest kind, and history shows us that Greed as a motivator and driver of human actions is unrivalled in terms of strength and universal power.

We are still very primitive in our capacities.

Consider that in today's world, no one goes hungry, no one lacks shelter, medicine, or education save for the conscious decision of another human being.

As a species, we have the resources to provide these basic necessities for every single man, woman and child.

However, doing so would reduce the profit for some very large companies and the very rich men who run them.

Because we ourselves are just as greedy, we are always willing to see harm done to others, even participate in it, simply because we wish the rich men to give us a benefit!

Women as property is just another way that motivated by greed, we do harm to other human beings.
Stacy Jiang - Women's life in China Posted 12:04 on 21 June 2011
Dear Alice

Thank you for writing all those reviews that I was unable to do it myself. And it conneted to inside of myself and also reached some feeling I have but unable to express it myself.
I was born in a rural as well and saw what the women's life have been going through. Moveover, I am being gone the way which my mother any grandmother was on for marrige. It's harmful.
Sara - Your article was very helpful. Posted 0:46 on 6 July 2011
I am from the mid-west in america, your article was very helpful in understanding unfamilar terms that I had come across,"nu shu" and "laotangs" and "laotongs" thank you for taking the time to do so.
Lee Li Yi - Kindly do more research before Posted 6:39 on 29 August 2011
While some parts of the article might have been true about ancient China and a segment of society, I am a third generation Singaporean and while small, the country is as forward as any 1st world nation. I wonder where you get your information from and i doubt you have ever visited the country, so please refrain from making such ludicrous and sweeping comments especially when it misleads people regarding Chinese history and culture.
Lee Li Yi Posted 7:08 on 29 August 2011
To illustrate the conditions for women in Singapore, arranged marriages were phased out as early as in the 1940s during my grandmother's time as my grandmother, her sisters and most of her peers chose who they wanted to marry.
Carole - Thank you Posted 19:07 on 12 September 2011
Just a note from another reader of Snow Flower. Like many others I Googled laotong for more information. I do remember the beginning of White Swans for the graphic descriptions of foot binding, too. Thank you for your excellent article. I find the idea of NuShu amazing. What resilience some women have when under so much oppression. I feel very lucky to have been born in the UK.
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