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Saturday, 10 March 2007
For many Chinese men, it’s an honour to have a blonde girlfriend, but it’s a crime for non-Chinese guys to steal their Chinese girls. Not long ago, it was sometimes considered a disgrace for Chinese girl to date a foreign boyfriend. Maybe it is still taboo for some, but there are certainly more and more free-spirits joining this mixed relationship club, such as Zhang Ziyi.

Those who don’t know anything about mixed relationships are always sceptical about them: they will inevitably result in divorce, as Western men are always unfaithful, or due to the culture clash; or that they are a betrayal of your country’s men...

Zhang Ziyi and her boyfriend kiss at an NBA matchTherefore, it was a big splash when the gorgeous Zhang Ziyi was spotted watching the NBA intimately with a mysterious Western man! They kissed in front of the cameras, in the front row of the VIP seats. This caused a huge wave of speculation. There were some early speculations of “who is the man?” Some said he is a C-list French actor, some said he is a young entrepreneur and neighbour of US president George Bush… but the latest reports indicate that he is actually the New York investment mogul Aviv Vivi Nevo - an Israeli, aged 41, and one of the richest man in New York.

He is a venture capitalist, one of the largest shareholders of Time Warner; he was reported to have dated Kate Moss openly and rumoured to be seeing Jeisa Chiminazzo (a Brazilian supermodel).

Men in China have started an online campaign about her betrayal of Chinese men. It is such a phenomenon that the whole page of www.sina.com.cn has a special collection of responses from the society, with more than a dozen of articles and debates of whether the relationship is genuine, or what the reason is that she has to throw herself to a foreign rich man – is it just for the fame in Hollywood? See http://ent.sina.com.cn/f/zzyxh/index.shtml.

I would like to send her my best wises, if Zhang is genuinely in love with Nevo.  As seen from the pictures, she looks happy, with the least trace of showing off. Aged 28, she is now much calmer than before, and with the sort of implicit confidence within herself and sometimes the typical Chinese modesty in her. She now looks much more natural and blossoms with true beauty.

Zhang Ziyi and her new boyfriendForgetting about the complication about the fact that he has money and power, or that he is the driving force behind her next three film contracts, it would seem like a beautiful fairytale – a tale that most of the Chinese contemporary romances paint - just without the inter-racial element, even though there is nothing wrong with that. The conservative Chinese just couldn’t comprehend the concept or the necessity of mixed relationship. For some, this again shows a bad example for young girls in the contemporary China, where the man to woman ratio is 1.17:1.

In recent years, we have seen many famous Chinese celebrities dating western guys, including Maggie Cheung, who appeared in Beijing with her new French boyfriend recently (see http://album.sina.com.cn/pic/47674ab302000i5f), and Gong Li, courageously kissing with her western boyfriend in the centre of Tiananmen Square (see http://album.sina.com.cn/pic/47674ab302000i5g), and the lovely Liu Ye (made famous by the brilliantly moving homosexual film: LanYu see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Yu_%28film%29) has now admitted to be in a serious relationship with his French diplomat girlfriend.

All good news. It simply shows that China is now a more and more open society; people are more brave in choosing who they love.

Welcome to this mixed-relationship club!
 
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marquis - the article is simply asian fe Posted 22:16 on 14 March 2007
probably written by a whitewashed bbc girl
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enrique - af Posted 15:16 on 15 March 2007
yeah I second that... asian fetish is disturbing
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chan - go onto wikipedia and find out Posted 19:56 on 15 March 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
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Anonymous Posted 10:33 on 16 March 2007
Hello,

Don't u know they think dimsum is 'freak' it easy, 'dump' it easy ,
'dumble'.Posted image
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Hui Posted 10:45 on 16 March 2007
Hello both,

Thanks for the comment. What do you mean by Asian Fetish as I don't quite understand what you mean? Tell us your thoughts then.
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xauhgo - yeah dimsum Posted 18:26 on 16 March 2007
I think dimsum should be ashamed of themselves for publishing this article... purely 'racist love' (first described by Chin and Chan in 1972).
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Luke Posted 18:58 on 16 March 2007
What exactly is the point you want to make? (I assume that marquis, enrique, chan and xauhgo are all the same person - from your IP address it seems you are a Bristol University medical student living in Manor Hall)

That Zhang's boyfriend has an Asian Fetish?

That mixed race relationships are based on Asian Fetish and racist love? All such relationships? Just this one?

That Dimsum should condemn such relationships?
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Hui Posted 0:33 on 17 March 2007
The word "Asian Fetish" is in effect a rather racist term. It might describe some, but can not apply to the majority of inter-racial relationships, and therefore it is very limited in its usage. Whoever chooses to use the word needs to be very careful, as you are risk to go into another form of discrimination.

But thanks for introducing this ridicule to our readers. As a chinese saying: the masses' eyes are snow bright! People will make the judgement themselves.
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Jeff Posted 21:40 on 17 March 2007
"For many Chinese men, it's an honour to have a blonde girlfriend, but it's a crime for non-Chinese guys to steal their Chinese girls"

Haha, you could tell the author was steaming up with disgust for chinese men everywhere as she wrote that, wishing all her life she was white.

It's simple really, women trade up. 99% of cases are women going for a more educated, richer, higher status (socially, physically, financially and professionally) man - and most who are those AND are ethnically chinese are mostly found in, surprise surprise, China. Overseas chinese who are integrated into their countries are hampered by society from achieving such power - yes, because of who they are ethnically.

It's also a case of Western men being more promiscuous and vocal in their approach - nowadays in this world you have to shout to be noticed. That's not to say that Chinese men are shy with women - if anything, quite the opposite - it's because trying to attract attention as a minority will encourage conflict with white men. I can vouch for this first hand - I'm chatting with a girl when 4 whites approach me in a hostile way. Now, do I want to get beat up and get ripped apart within an inch of my life just so I can stand my ground, or back down and lose the girl? Yeah, I'd rather have a life. It's probably worse in the US.


For the record though, I'm all for mixed race relationships - as long as they lead to marriage, kids and the whole settling down thing. There have been a couple of cases I know where men have gotten their shag, sated their appetite and left them for another woman.
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Luke Posted 0:37 on 18 March 2007
There is still something to be said for the difference between the sexes and interracial relationships. If it were a Chinese man with a white woman, why do I feel that this article would have attracted much less response?

Despite the points you make, there is certainly also a gender issue at stake here. There was a post in the forum this week entitled "mixed race relationships", but which happened to discuss a BBC guy with a British girl and there was not one hint of disapproval.

Perhaps this is why a Chinese woman who quite naturally comes to be in a serious relationship with a white guy may see the negative reaction to their relationship as one based on gender inequalities rather than racial ones.
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tim - always a heated topic Posted 0:44 on 18 March 2007
It's interesting that this topic gets so much heated response every time it hits the press. It is no different here given the heated/angry response so far. I think the underlying issues here need debate and discussion and I'm glad this discussion is happening. However, I only wish it was a little more civilised! Personal attacks is childish and not healthy debate/discussion. However, even such comments are needed to show the world how certain people really feel about this topic. For example, a couple/few people lambasted the author for writing this article and Dimsum for publishing it.

So here is my contribution to the discussion: Let me first say that Dimsum is a publisher and should publish viewpoints from all even if it does not necessarily support it. I applaud Dimsum for doing so.

What I find fascinating is how those few seem to get so angry for white guys dating Chinese girls. Why such strong anger? Why make personal attacks against the white guys and Chinese girls. They don't even know the individuals in these mixed race relationships. Are they insecure about being a Chinese guy? Are they racist?I'm a Chinese guy and I don't have such anger. I think it would be a fascinating study/article to look into this anger.
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tanya Posted 23:50 on 18 March 2007
Tim - I agree with you. why has Hui been personally attacked for writing this article?

As it says in the article, it says that Zhang Ziyi looks happy. Why doesn't that have any significance? surely it's difficult enough to find the right person, regardless of ethnicity? What;s so bad about celebrating interraccial relationships?

Also how do you know that Hui is a BBC? judging by her previous articles she's from China.
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stanza Posted 23:53 on 18 March 2007
Get a life boys, who are you to judge what your Chinese sisters do?

Have you ever thought why Chinese women CHOOSE to go with different ethnicities? Have a think about it....
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Jans - Dimsum Posted 0:28 on 19 March 2007
I'm wondering what dim sum filling what Ms. Zi yi like?

peanut butter and jam no doubt.

did you see what I did there.

But I'm telling you what, hasn't she got lovely hair, oh yes, one of those all in one jobs I bet
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Hui Posted 0:30 on 19 March 2007
Thanks Tanya and Stanza. There are too many things about me that they don't know but judged merely based on their imagination, which is sheer nonsense. However, those negative remarks about me are indeed excellent examples to show that what a Chinese girl has to go through in this mixed relationship business.

I have personally heard a Chinese guy said to me that I was unfilial to my parents by going into a mixed relationship; Why not Chinese men? One of my friends’ mothers secretly told him that she was so pleased that he wasn’t like me. In her opinion, I cause trouble to my family, while in fact my parents are both happy about my choice although there were tears in the beginning.

Reading all those posts shown on dimsum forum or wikipedia regarding mixed relationship, you will have a better idea what the situation is.

Luke and Tim are very rightly saying that this is a real fascinating subject to explore. But my personally view on this is: get on with your life; it's never going to be a neutral topic with harmless discussion, at least, there still needs a little bit of time for everyone to think about this rationally and less subjectively.
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Anonymous Posted 10:48 on 19 March 2007
The anger seems to come from jealousy and insecurity. If people weren't feeling threatened, they wouldn't have such a violent reaction.

Perhaps something that directly affected them one upon a time?
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Banana - Whats all the fuss about! Posted 11:06 on 25 March 2007
Hi, this is the first time ive been on this website, but correct me if im wrong, this is for the British Chinese community yeah, so what is the big fuss about mixed relationships?? I am a BBC, my husband is English. Growing up in England, especially a small town,theres not much choice,friends are white obviously boyfriend and husband will be too, parents are fine, im not disgracing the family, its 2007 for gods sake!! People who are bothered about such things should probably leave their Chinese restaurant in China Town once in a while!
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Ray A. - Banana? Posted 2:56 on 28 May 2008
Why are you using the name banana? Yellow on the outside, white on the inside? Why are you saying these words? I am white and my wife is asian. She is the most wonderful woman that I ever met! I have no fetish at all! We are in love and I do not see an asian woman, I just see a beauitful woman than I am in love with and want to spend the rest of my life together.
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Tim - Dishonest Posted 1:02 on 3 April 2007
For many Chinese men, it’s an honour to have a blonde girlfriend, but it’s a crime for non-Chinese guys to steal their Chinese girls. Not long ago, it was sometimes considered a disgrace for Chinese girl to date a foreign boyfriend. Maybe it is still taboo for some, but there are certainly more and more free-spirits joining this mixed relationship club, such as Zhang Ziyi.

Those who don’t know anything about mixed relationships are always sceptical about them: they will inevitably result in divorce, as Western men are always unfaithful, or due to the culture clash; or that they are a betrayal of your country’s men...

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Give me a break! Most Chinese men don't care for White women, and most Chinese parents discourage their son from marrying white. If you want to write about interracial relationship, you should be at least honest about it. Yes, there is a double standard -- a double standard that favors Chinese women dating non-Chinese men, frowns upon Chinese men dating non-Chinese women. For example, the late movie superstar Bruce Lee, Singer Emil Chau Wa-Kin, singer Sam Hui all received some negative press for marrying a white woman.

The fuss about Zhang ZhiYi is that she is not well-liked in China. Most people think she slept her way to the top, first with Zhang Zimou, and then Jackie Chan. And the Geisha movie had really angered many moviegoers because the Japanese aggression against China in WWII and subsequent refusal to apologize officially make them feel "Geisha" movie is a disgrace to the Chinese.

Another factor is that, although interracial couples are widely accepted in Asia nowadays, Asian women + white men couples still carry the burdens of need to proving themselves that they are not the result of : 1. Asian fetish, 2. white worship, 3. Social climber, 4. mail order bride, 5. war/military bride (there are many in the U.S)

I don't know when the last time you were in Asia. White men + asian women couples are everywhere. I will admit some of them bother me, not because they are interracial, but because their age difference is very noticeable. It is revolting to see a fat 65-year-old with a 19-year-old women. Some would disagree with me and say it is romance made in heaven. It is a free world, and people are free to date whomever they want. But if you are celebrity, people will judge you, most of time unfairly -- are you dating this guy because of money, career, fame, love, etc... In Zhang Zhiyi case -- given her history and status, rumors will run rampant.
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Stephan - WHAT Chinese guys with blone g Posted 22:57 on 29 April 2007
I have an asian buddy who's always railing about the inequity of interracial dating. I used to think it was insecurity about size and other hang ups that a lot of single asian guys have but here in Orange County/L.A .area it's pretty one-sided. I am Hispanic and have been able to date a variety of races, same as my white friends. So to have a wider "dating pool" it is easy to believe all guys have this opportunity. They don't. Women, asian women, will never understand because they will never go dateless or alone because they're desirable to all races of men. Not so for my bitter asian buddy. I just tell him be glad he's not in China.
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J Posted 21:30 on 1 May 2007
Any reasonable human beings would not dismiss this wm/af inter-racial phenomena as love knows no color. Is there something worth to look beyond the surface and analyze?

I think most Asian men and women have very little understanding of social and racial dynamic in America or in the world, especially new immigrants who try to carve out a new life in the new countries. The second-class citizen status doesn't seem to motivate them beyond material and financial gains. The willful ignorance of the author of this article exemplifies how most Asians think.
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Realist - Mixed relationships Posted 5:52 on 2 May 2007
It is no great mystery to me why Asian, Chinese included, women are attracted to white men.

In general, please note that I say 'IN GENERAL',(there are always exceptions ), white men represent what a woman wants in a man. Good manners for a start. We don't hawk up and spit every few minutes, except maybe in the privacy of our own bathroom , we don't piss in the street, we don't ignore everyone else's patient waiting and barge in at every opportunity. We get our teeth fixed, we don't try to murder people when behind the wheel of a car, we ARE good lovers not 'wham bam thank-you ma'am' genital midgets. We don't beat up on our women (please see my 'in general rule' at the top) after a glass of bai jiu. I could go on.
By the way, I am a white male (as if you hadn't guessed) in China and interestingly enough, my young boyfriend attends Sun Yat-Sen university. Go figure.
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True Blue - Realist Posted 18:11 on 19 September 2008
Realist? You are a true disgrace to your race and the country you presently reside in. How dare you insult all Chinese Men in this manner. "I am a white male in China...and my young boyfriend attends Sun Yat-Sen university"? Either you are a homosexual or a very disturbed gender- confused "person". I suggest you return to your cave and don't emerge until a thousand more years have passed.You are a cerebral midget drifting aimlessly in your warped universe...Yes, I have "figured" you out.
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J Posted 23:21 on 3 May 2007
Wow, Realist, Hitler would be proud of you. See, that is the typical mindset of WHITE sex tourist in Asia. Typical Asianphile. What a loser!
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Realist - Manners Posted 12:07 on 4 May 2007
The truth is often difficult to swallow.

White sex tourist ??? No petal, white yes, sex yes, tourist no. Still 2 out of 3 is not bad.

Got to go, my nose needs blowing out, I must find a restaurant floor to do it on. Whoops, I must be turning Chinese.
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J Posted 16:27 on 4 May 2007
haha. getting tired of raping your own daughter? soon or later you'll get caught. Like I say, 90% of white guys are in Asia are paedophiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6618281.stm

US rape suspect held in Hong Kong

One of America's most wanted suspected sex offenders has been captured in Hong Kong, after a worldwide manhunt.

Police arrested Kenneth Freeman, 45, as he arrived in the territory from mainland China, according to the US Marshals Service.

Mr Freeman went on the run in 2006 after his daughter accused him of rape, even appearing on a national TV show to tell her story.

He has also been accused of producing child pornography videos.
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Realist - Oh Yes Posted 18:32 on 4 May 2007
We Irish couldn't agree more.
Damn those yankee degenerates, giving us all a bad name.

I should have a lie down in a darkened room if I were you, you'll feel better afterwards.

This is good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3Dt9HVDac
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J Posted 19:32 on 4 May 2007
Realist "By the way, I am a white male (as if you hadn't guessed) in China and interestingly enough, my young boyfriend attends Sun Yat-Sen university. Go figure."

Irish, hah? I reckon you guys like to do those sick things in church. Although I am not Catholic, I am sadden by the constant molestation scandals within the Catholic Church. They rape boys and girls left and right. Did you get molested when you were young? No wonder you are so angry and pathetic. Is your young boyfriend in China fulfilling your sick fantasy?

Look, my father is Vietnamese-Chinese, and my mother is white. I have nothing against inter-racial relationship or white people. I just don't like bigots and racists. I have traveled extensively in Asia -- China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Korea. Unfortunately I've come across many losers like you and Gary Glitter. http://www.therockradio.com/2007/04/gary-glitter-seeks-amnesty-from-vietnam.html

In poor countries like Cambodia, things are even worse. They are haven for White paedophiles. As soon as you open your mouth, I know you're one delusional sick f***. Asianphiles like you -- they like to put down white women or/and Asian men so that they don't feel like such a loser.
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Realist - OOhhhhhh Posted 20:06 on 4 May 2007
Have you tried an Anger Management course dear, you sound as if you need one.

Oh, and by the way, a sense of humour infusion would go down pretty well too. You are easier to wind up than my Timex watch. What a burke.

Let's see,what else can I get you going on?

How about those nasty colonial masters who have treated us poor Asians so badly over the years. Now there's something I'm sure you have strong opinions on.
Yaaaaaawn.
Time for bed now, move over son, there's a good boy.
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J Posted 21:04 on 4 May 2007
I called you out your bigotry and the fact that many Whites like you in Asia are paedophiles. Does that make you feel uncomfortable? I hit a raw nerve, didn't I?

If you wish to talk about colonial mentality and imperialism, I have to decline because I don't want to waste any more time with you. But I would recommend the late Edward W. Said's books:

1. Orientalism
2. Culture and Imperialism
3. Power, Politics and Culture

Maybe you can learn a thing or two.
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Realist - Help is available Posted 6:29 on 5 May 2007
My My, Is that chip on your shoulder against White (sic) people a heavy burden to carry ?.

You have called me many names in your previous posts, Nazi, bigot, child molester, child rapist, paedophile to mention just a few. I am rather bemused as to how having a boyfriend 2 years younger than myself (who is attending a university and therefore at least 18 years old) makes me a paedophile "like 90 per cent of white males in Asia" according to you.
Know them all do you ?? If not it's rather a sweeping statement to make on the basis of a few rotten eggs and is thoroughly insulting, something you seem to excel at.

These obsessive prejudices that you display in your diatrabes against white males in Asia are very indicative of a deep seated phobia. (for which treatment may be available on the NHS.) God forbid you should ever have acess to firearms as I fear you are obviousely one of the the "put 'em against the wall and shoot
'em" brigade if they are different than me.

Go peddle your homophobic anti white-man opinions elsewhere.
The OP was about mixed relationships. You have added nothing but hate and predjudice to the debate.
You will go far in life. (Saturn is nice at this time of year I'm told)

have a nice day !!.
AND GET SOME TREATMENT
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Shane - to Realist and J Posted 13:44 on 7 May 2007
I am a Chinese gay guy living in the UK with my white boyfriend who is a year younger than me. This is the first time I came to this website, and this post is the first one that I saw. Sadly, the two of you have made it the last one too.

Realist, you said white men represent what a woman wants in a man. Here is my opinion:

1. "Good manners for a start" - good manners were born in Asia!

2. "We don't hawk up and spit every few minutes, except maybe in the privacy of our own bathroom" - But you do have the world's most violent and severe football hooligan cultrure...

3. "we don't piss in the street" - Yes, you do. In case you have missed it, try go out on a Saturday night, and I'm sure those drunken party goers will surprise you!

4. "we don't ignore everyone else's patient waiting and barge in at every opportunity" - that's true, but look what the queuing system at NHS has got you? 2 years wait for a dentist appoint!

I could go on too! My point is, that If you have chosen to live in China, then learn to respect the country, its people, and its culture, like I respect Great Britain, even though sometimes it's 'not so Great' Britain!

J, you have crossed the line too. Being mixed race yourself, and having travelled so extensively, I am surprised to see how you sterotype and categorise people like that! If your mom and dad could get along so well that they brought you to this wonderful world, why do you have some much negativity against white people?

Anyway, your conversations have completely blown this subject out of proportion. This article is not about which race is better than which. It's about people accepting who they truly are, and learn to accept other people as the way they are too! If two people are happy together, who cares what colours they are, what language they speak and what nationality they have!

Finally, can I just say, part of being a celebrity is being judged by the public. It's sad, but it's true, that most of us do like judge how other people lead their lives. But like all other jobs, being a celebrity is a package, and like it or not, being judged by the public comes with that package, hand-in-hand with being paid loads to be famous too!
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Realist - Your opinion-v-mine Posted 17:47 on 8 May 2007
I don't suppose you know the meaning of the word DILLIGAF. This will explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI&mode=related&search=
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J Posted 17:58 on 8 May 2007
Shane, I tried to use stereotypes to combat Realist's racist view of Asian men, to show how ridiculous his belief is.

My parents have been happily married for many years now, and my dad still gets that dirty look from some people now and then. As if he weren't good enough for my mom, as if he couldn't make my mom happy. If you read Realist's first post, what he was trying to infer was: Asian men are inferior. And I disagree with him, and I called out his bigotry. His prejudice wasn't a surprise to me as I've encountered many like him in Asia.

Now, Where did I get the idea that white paedophiles like to travel to Asia? 1. I've witnessed it first hand from my traveling experience. 2. from the news. I already posted two articles about them. I can show you many more. 3. I don't know about Europe but here in the U.S. there are Asian sex tours catered to white paedophiles. They choose Asia because, with their money and foreign passport, they are more likely to get away with it.

Having said that, do I believe every white men in Asia is a paedophile? of course not. Many are good, decent human beings, but I just don't believe Realist is one of them. He is racist and possibly a paedophile(he brags about how young his boyfriend is).
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callmefred Posted 6:30 on 9 May 2007
If I may be permitted to respond to some of the above nonsense and to say the world is not perfect, never has been and never will be but labelling whole groups or races of people as this or that is pointless. Of course there are individuals in every society who don't conform to the 'norm' and it's that small minority who make 'the news'.
I don't recall Realist saying Asian men were inferior, just by western standards bad mannered. I think his whole post was slightly tongue in cheek. J's reaction though was way over the top. Calling him Hitler etc and later, a Catholic,! what could be worse than that?
As a European living and working in China I can empathize with both points of view however lumping us all together and calling us perverts is deeply offensive. Are there none of these bigots and racists in the US then ?, so J. as you are there it maybe a good place to start. Go lobby your congressman, see how far you get. I note you are now backtracking on your '"90% of white males in Asia" to a more moderate position, so you should. I and I think many others doing good work here in education will be glad of that.
What is more insidious though is the American brand of religious evangelism creeping in under the door here and many other areas of the 'underdeveloped' world. You would be better spending your time denouncing that phenomenen instead of sex tourism and other race topics. Sex tourism is market driven, it has always existed and is perpetuated by unscroupulous money makers (any of those in the US or Asia?).
Let's get on with our lives and accept that the world is not perfect but try to do what we can to make it a better place. Insulting each other won't achieve that.
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J Posted 18:52 on 9 May 2007
callmefred, I think you need to read his first post carefully. I mean CAREFULLY. He was insulting not only the manners of poor migrant workers -- I couldn't care less if he just did that; He launched a full frontal attack on Asian men. I can give you a couple of White supremacy Websites where they say almost exactly the same thing. The only difference is that Realist didn't say anything about JEWS and Blacks. SO who are you to tell me that I shouldn't be offended? Who are you to tell me how to feel and what to think?

If you want to be fair and constructive, you have to point out his blatant racism. Instead, you defend his words as merely a joke. Or "tongue in cheek". Yet when I said "90% of white men in Asia", you decry it as "over the top". Your bias and double standard say more about you than me.

To deal with ignorant fools like Realist, I don't pussyfoot around. Realist mentioned that he is Irish and how young his Chinese boyfriend is. I just wanted to use the constant molestation scandals within the Catholic Church to remind him how easy it is to stereotype a group of people.

You seem like a decent man, but your take on sex tourism is amoral. Those who don't have a problem with this kind of sickening exploitation are usually the ones who benefit from it. I hope you are not one of those. I can't believe you imply that American brand of religious evangelism in Asia is more insidious than sex tourism.

In my previous posts, I buttressed my observation with a couple of articles, one of which is about Gary Glitter. Nobody in his right mind would think it is Ok for Gary Glitter to molest little girls. For those who don't know who Gary Glitter is -- Gary Glitter is an English rock and pop singer who came to prominence in the early 1970s . He went into countries like Cambodia and Vietnam and lured very young girls with his money to his home so he could molest them. His story is not unique. There are many white men like him in Asia.

Interestingly, you told me I shouldn't spend time to talk about it, and that I should focus my energy on something else like racism and evangelicals in America. I wonder why.
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callmefred Posted 21:54 on 9 May 2007
There is no doubt in my mind that after reading the previous posts carefully that the racism is coming from your side J.

You throw into the air all kinds of extraneous inferences to justify the accusations you feel so free to bandy about. Realist originally commented that Asian women prefer 'white' men on the basis of manners. That's his opinion. Mine is that the reasons are ofter more financial. We are all entitled to our view, but disagreeing with anothers opinion does not entitle you to make defamitory statements about the majority of white men in Asia or to call posters from a different race than you spiteful names. That's racism.
There is good and bad in in all races but don't, in your infinate wisdom, tar us all with the same brush.
After all, if having a partner 2 years younger than yourself but over 18, makes you a child molester, half the the world would be guilty.
Your reasoning is flawed and your language is insulting. You clearly refuse to listen to any voice of reason so maybe the advice on "Treatment" mentioned earlier is justified after all.
Get back on topic with this thread or get out. You are putting people off joining what could have been an interesting and imformative discussion.
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J Posted 0:53 on 10 May 2007
callmefred, you don't want to talk about sex tourism and evangelicals anymore?

Realist is entitled to his opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I pointed out the fact that his opinion closely resembled that of White Supremacy groups. I was offended by his nonsense and I called him "Hitler". And given that Realist said "my YOUNG boyfriend", I doubt that Realist is as young as he claims. You don't normally see a 20-year-old says "my YOUNG boyfriend" when he is two years older than his boyfriend. It just doesn't make sense to say "young". sorry, I don't give racists the benefit of doubt, and I've run into too many white expats like Realist -- who exploited young girls and boys sexually in Asia -- to give him a break.

I know some of what I said might be offensive, but that's the whole point. When Realist said something stupid and offensive, you just shrugged it off. you didn't care because it was about Asians. When I said something about white sexual predator, you got excited. You got angry. I got your attention. Why? because what I said is detrimental to your "collective" image in Asia, and Realist's prejudice -- at the expense of Asians -- doesn't hurt you at all. Your hypocritical indignation only proves my point too well. You don't like it when I stereotype people who look like you, but it is ok with you when people who look like you do it to other people.

If you don't see why I would be offended by Realist's words, I think you need to re-examine your worldview. You're lucky that you are living in a post-colonial age in which millions of nonwhites around the world still suffer from colonial mentality. It gives many whites a sense that they are better than they actually are, based solely on the color of their skin. I benefit from it too, because I look more white than asian. I see how I was treated differently when I was in Asia. only Fools like Realist would be mistakenly convinced that their white privilege are evidence of their superiority.
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Fed Up Posted 17:34 on 11 May 2007
What a very bitter and twisted nasty piece of work you are J.
Is there any level that you won't stoop to to slander people.? It's often the case that those who are the most vociferous in condemning others are merely trying to mask their own tendencies.
The bitterness at your own mixed race origins are plainly showing through in your insistance to have the last word. Fine. It's your life.
We are no longer interested in your ranting.
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darkgold - on a darker note.... Posted 1:03 on 12 June 2007
Can someone explain to me why it's better for a Chinese person to date a white person compared to a black/south east Asian/Indian person? what's the big phobia about having a touch of brown to the future Chinese generation? I'm Chinese Malay and the Chinese community instantly drop me in a 'bin full of darkies' when they learn of my browner heritage. I'm proud of both! For all you Gwai Los out there who are half white, half Chinese, whatever, compared to us mixed race Chinese of the darker shade at least you'll be accepted to some degree in the Chinese community. I've got a friend who's half Chinese and half Portugeuse but has gorgeous brown skin. The last thing ppl will call her is Chinese and the same goes with me. Frankly I think the Chinese community need to accept some diversity in their race if they want to win respect which by the looks of it doesn't seem likely for quite a while.
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darkgold - oh and btw Posted 1:16 on 12 June 2007
As for 'realist'-here's the truth old chap-seems you've been dating sarong party girls who were after yr money not yr exotic hot rod. As an Oriental woman I find typical WASP blokes the most shallow of the lot-into big boobs on a size 0 and submissive little c**ksuckers. It doesn't represent the entire oriental female population true enough...not all of us can be stupid as you, but fortunately for you, realist, you just seem to get them coming in droves!

Don't worry about him, my fellow Asian chaps, there are plenty more like him to keep part of the Asian economy going-rest assured if he gets the brainless ones you'll end up with the intelligent ladies...what would you rather have?
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Z - a thought Posted 12:59 on 19 July 2007
it looks as if your idea of interracial relationships only involve chinese and western white people. what about the brown and black people of the world?
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Hamish - Carry on the discussion Posted 16:10 on 30 July 2007
Some really interesting views here. The Commission for Racial Equality is hosting an online conference on 4-6 September looking at mixed relationships and mixed race Britons. We'd love to hear from you. You can find out more and register for free at www.mixedness.org.uk
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asian male - Oi! Posted 22:57 on 27 August 2007
im chinese and i like pretty girls, but if i had to be so crass as make the preference racial then i have to say for me desi girls, black girls and pinays. blonde girls? meh.

im not a racist and have been in relationships with blonde white girls before, im just saying don't assume what we want or don't want, and don't assume what we can or cannot get!
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asian male - chiney ryals Posted 22:59 on 27 August 2007
Z there aren't many jamaicans, guyanese or trinidadians who don't have some chinese or indian blood. in the chinese diaspora all forms of interracial relationships are common.
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Boohoo - it dont matter Posted 20:53 on 4 September 2007
who cares who dating who. if Z want to date wester men she can date them. she can date who ever she wants. they write mean things cuz they have nothing better to do. the world is becoming a bitter place, they just report the negative stuff never the good thing that happen in the world.
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H-Bomb - bottomline Posted 10:19 on 14 October 2007
zhang ziyi is totally hot. this article has many generalisations but at the end of the day. zhang ziyi is hot. let's all hold hands and celebrate her hotness.
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chuck - it's about prestige Posted 11:24 on 9 January 2008
when I first learnt that zhang ziyi was dating this nevo guy I was very disappointed in her.. this is not because Nevo is white or rich or old..

but because I had heard that zhang ziyi was already married to some poor chinese schmuck.. I thought Zhang ziyi had more self respect than that. But then again.. she did sleep with her discoverer Zhang yimou.. so I guess her record wasn't good in the first place.
Luke is right about the status thing.. CHinese girls just want someone who is rich and prestigious.. Think of it like this.. a pomeranian who is closing up to a poodle who just so happens has all the purina.. sorry that was a low blow.. but the celebrity world can be like that..
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chinaman - The Reason... Posted 19:44 on 11 January 2008
That Aviv dude is too old and ugly for Ziyi. In chinese, this is described as quote "a beautiful flower siting atop a pile of cow dung". If ziyi is the flower, guess who's the crap?

As for the inter-racial dating relation.
It's unfair. White guys get (our) chinese girls and much much much much much more than vise versa.

I am for Chinese men/white girls, I am against Chinese women/white men...at least until this inbalance is balanced out.

We must admit though that, chinese girls are part of the finest of all races, period!
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X - Curse Posted 19:26 on 16 January 2008
I am a white man. I am sympathizing over Chinese men. I want to offer my speculation to ease confusion and disturbance over Ziyi Zhang's mixed relationship.

First, I want to say that this guy, Vivi Nevo, whom Ziyi Zhang was dating, wasn't a white man. He is a Jew. Only 14 million Jews live on our planet but they are extremely influential on the world through their financial expertises. Almost all of Jews are considered Caucasians (humans with white skins).

Second, this is strictly Ziyi Zhang's business, between her parents and her, not anyone else.

Third, there is nothing wrong with Chinese men. Ziyi Zhang does like Chinese men and cares about China's future very much. Ziyi Zhang's parents are becoming "victims" of Ziyi's beauty, success, and especially luck, which are acting as a curse and punishment against them (her parents) for failing to honor Ziyi's wish to become a kindergarten teacher. They instead sent Ziyi to a dancing school with a force, where she suffered and even ran away to cry. She eventually switched to performance, after she realized that dancing was not for her.

Fourth, it may be Ziyi Zhang's parents' fault. Ziyi mentioned that she would like to play a bad American who used drugs in a movie, maybe to keep hitting her parents.

By now, Ziyi is entirely controlling her life. Nothing can stop her, while her parents continue to suffer her curse.
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Rebecca Yu - Ewww....! Posted 2:40 on 7 February 2008
X - Curse - agreed. I don't care how rich he is, he is a disgusting old Jew! Pardon the facts! Just like Rupert Murdoch...ewwwww..

But I guess these old fogeys want youth
And these young ho'z want money!

Sincerely,
Rebecca
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hello Posted 4:57 on 14 March 2008
interracial dating between white men and asian women is pure racism. it's just the people who are rich and powerful through slavery and murder buying the women they want.

most good chinese guys won't have a problem finding a woman, but these playboys coming to china will easily take a poor woman home. this will lead to problems in the long run when gender imbalances are already high.

do not pull the "asian men are sexist" excuse because white men are even more sexist (more likely to rape, cheat, abuse the wife).

even as a homosexual male, it's obvious to me. these types of white men believe they are the master race, the most superior of all men. they think all asian women are their sexual property and that asian women dating white men is natural selection.

you shouldn't assume that interracial relationships are progressive; they are usually just a sign of racist preferences and media conditioning.
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matt - Hey Hello Posted 0:33 on 4 August 2008
you are a racist full of F&*%ing BS.

that's all there is to it. You think you are progressive but you are CLEALY racist.
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Ly - this article Posted 2:04 on 19 May 2008
This article is completely bullocks! I am East Asian myself. Who cares where you from if you're in love?
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Sean - People need to get over themse Posted 19:29 on 11 June 2008
Why cant people accept people? There are all types of people, good and bad in everypart of the world... With the rate that China is growing, I dont think it will be long before they too are buying brides from abroad.

Love is love....... Lets accept that we are different and embrace that fact we bring something else to the table.

As for Realist's comments.. I know plenty of bad mannered people in the UK. White people... Get off your high horse.. We're no better than them.
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Mike - My Parents were great examples Posted 14:47 on 10 July 2008
Back in 1955, my Dad, an American expat (twice married and divorced) fell in love with my Mom, a Japanese girl 15 years younger living in Nagoya. When they married, they faced all the hate and comments from both sides. Until my Dad passed away 45 years later - they were happily married. I grew up knowing hundreds of mixed couples like them - and regardless of what the reasons were why they married in the first place - they all grew old togeather. Certainly the divorce rate amongst them were lowerer than what was going on with the rest of the "regular" couples we knew. When I read some of the previous posts - it saddens me to realize how ignorant, racist, or narrow minded many people are.
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Rebecca - Ewwww! Posted 1:05 on 30 July 2008
That's one OLD JEW!!!!
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Ditto - Asian fetish Posted 9:30 on 9 August 2008
Interacial relationships are fine as along as they really love each other. BUT as we all know there is a sizable population of western white males who have "thing" for Asian women only.
These guys are little creepy.
As for Zhang Ziyi, she's a disgrace to all Chinese by playing a geisha. That role was first offered to a Korean actress but she turn it down.
Ziyi is using that old Jew boyfriend to finance her movie career. Jews in Hollywood are sneaky shady people who continues to sterotype Asians in general.
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Ditto - Strange love? Posted 9:35 on 9 August 2008
EWWWW
You know what its true. It seems alot of Asian women hook up with some nasty looking ugly white guys. Some of them really goofy looking guys.
Then when they hit around 30 years old they end up with 50 year old white guys.
Strange but true.
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Luke - re: Asian fetish Posted 14:24 on 10 August 2008
Ditto wrote:
Jews in Hollywood are sneaky shady people who continues to sterotype Asians in general.


It's not OK to stereotype Asians, but it's fine to stereotype Jews as "sneaky shady people"? I think you'll find most people, especially Jews, would find that quite offensive.
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Jenny Posted 7:46 on 16 August 2008
I am an chinese woman but i understand why the asian guys are so upset. It's not "white men stealing our women" that bothers them, it's the disparity, the fact that there's 15 or 20 af/wm to every am/wf couple. They see this as a result of deeper racial inequalities in the North America and the world. I know most asian gals don't see this way. They may choose to call our brothers sexist or losers. But facts are facts.

In reality, many asian gals who date white guys (i'm not one of them) probably do feel some guilt deep down because even they have asian fathers and brothers. For the sake of unity I think it would be more fruitful to talk honestly about the subject and try to empathize with one another.

The author of the article seems to have a chip on her shoulders. She seems to know deep down that things are right and is covering up her own shame by pointing asian male insecurity, sexism, or whatever to justify Ms. Zhang's choice.

As for Ms. Zhang i don't think she understands the racial dynamics that might cause some to disapprove of her choice. It is her choice, we should all respect that. She must understand that as a high-profile figure, everything she does or doesn't do carries weight.

Asian guys and gals should not this issue divide us. For the last 10 or 15 years I have observing that more and more Asian gals and guys are sticking to their own kind. They are thumbing their noses at the media and the racist white agendas by coming together.

This is all I have to say.

Peace and love for Asian gals and guys.
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