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Saturday, 24 November 2007
Finding my Voice in my 40s

My story is typical of a first-generation British-born or raised Chinese (BBC) person. My parents left Guangdong and Hong Kong and immigrated to England in the early 1960s to seek a better life. I was born, raised, educated and spent the first decade of my adult working life in England. The atypical part is I, subsequently, immigrated to another country to start a new life with my husband (another British Chinese who was, already, a long-term resident of the United States.) America is where I’ve made my home for the past eight years. But, perhaps, I’m not so different when you consider the general Chinese diaspora around the world.

When I celebrated my 40th birthday, I became extremely introspective and, truthfully, more than a little depressed. Psychologically, it was a big milestone for me, releasing multiple thoughts and emotions -- Who am I? What is my purpose and contribution to my community? What have I achieved? How do I bring up my children? What does life have in store for me for the second half of my life?

Am I successful? I look to my likeness in the public eye and around me and make comparisons. I haven’t drawn the limelight to myself but, in quiet ways, I’ve been successful. I feel good about the successes in my career and in my marriage; moving and adapting to another country; going back to studying after thirteen years of work and achieving a Master’s degree; and getting pregnant and giving birth to two wonderful children when the odds, health-wise and age-wise, were stacked against me.

Now that I’m in my 40s properly, I feel I’ve resolved many of the hang-ups and anxieties that affected my teens, 20s and early to mid-30s -- identity crisis; rebellion; education dilemmas; early career choices; relationship heartaches; unpredicted marriage and unexpected infertility. With age and experience come new found self-confidence, patience, sensitivity and openness. I’m more tolerant of my parents’ thinking and I’m open to walk a step in somebody else’s shoes. Now I’m not afraid of talking about things which matter to me through my personal stories and views.

For the foreseeable future, my purpose is my self-development and happiness. This may sound selfish to some, but I’m conscious I want to be fulfilled and fully present in my life, so I can provide a happy and inspirational environment for my children. I want to be an example to my family and, if I can share my voice with others, I consider it a bonus and blessing. Is that being a role model?

Seeking my Likeness

A negative consequence of being a mother is that I’ve become more uncertain of the world my children will inherit. I want to be positive though and raise my children to have optimism in their future and pride in their Chinese identity and roots. I want to point out to them the successes of people in their likeness to give them confidence in seeing others achieve their dreams. These days, I’m aware of Chinese actors, celebrities and entrepreneurs from Hong Kong, China and America, but who are the home-grown, prominent Chinese in Britain? Has anything changed since I was growing up and seeking others in my likeness?

Definition of a Role Model

It was American sociologist Robert K. Merton who made the distinction in the 1950s between people who become role models because of their actions and others because of their specific talents, such as sports or music. Nowadays, Merton’s distinction has blurred and people are role models because of how they live as well as for their particular skills.

Who were my Role Models?

Growing up my life revolved around helping out at my parents’ restaurant, looking after my younger siblings and studying. My escapism was reading and, like many schoolgirls throughout the decades since Jane Austen wrote “Pride and Prejudice,” I wanted to be “Elizabeth Bennet.” To me, she was a strong female role model in the male-dominated world of the late 18th and early 19th Century England.

I had my schoolgirl crushes on 1980s pop stars, but they were hardly role models, rather the focus of my burgeoning hormones! The closest I came to having role models in the public domain was as a university student in the mid-1980s. I admired the work of Bob Geldof and Midge Ure on “Live Aid” to raise money for famine relief for Ethiopia. Student political activism was robust at the time and I was drawn to the heroic figure of Nelson Mandela imprisoned on Robben Island. He was the symbol of freedom for the world-wide anti-Apartheid movement of the 1980s. I remember singing loudly to the beat of The Special A.K.A’s “Nelson Mandela” at university gigs and discos, and standing in all weather protesting outside companies, which supported South Africa in its Apartheid regime.

Though I looked, I wasn’t aware of any British Chinese people in the media during the 1970s and 1980s, apart from David Yip. As a British actor of Chinese ethnicity, he caused somewhat of a stir in the Chinese community as the star of “The Chinese Detective.” I, also, remember “Ken Hom’s Chinese Cookery show” even though he’s American, but, at the time, one of the few Chinese faces on British television.

Role Models are Ordinary People

I’m not surprised when people say their role models are ordinary people in their lives and communities with something in them they like and admire and not celebrities in the media. Certainly, it was those around me and closest to me – my parents, aunts, uncles, older cousins and my parents’ friends – who were my role models. I saw them work hard every day and their example, tenacity and survival stays with me and drives me, so I never give up, even at my lowest point. I was brought up to work hard and simply get on with my life, so many can argue we don’t need role models; we don’t need to have attention drawn upon us; we just need to be ourselves and get on with things, and that’s exactly what my generation of BBCs chose to do.

Another argument is that role models can come from any ethnic group and I’ve proven that in the people I admired in my student days. I, also, had a great mentor and role model in my manager (a white man) in one of my first jobs after I left university. He shaped my view of the work environment through his example and skill as a manager, and has influenced how I make decisions in my working life. Recently, I got to meet up with him in New York City when he came over for a holiday. Seventeen years have passed since I last worked for him; yet, it still means a lot to me to hear him say he’s proud of what I’ve accomplished over the years. I have tears in my eyes as I write this, remembering my special day with him reminiscing over old times.

Choosing Stability over Fame

Research shows that BBCs do well at school and opt to go into finance, sciences, academia and research. Certainly, many of my peers sought jobs that stood for stability rather than fame. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/09/ncareer09.xml

There’s an argument that, as a minority, the British media doesn't find us interesting and the fields we are in are not “sexy.” We’re seen to do well academically; encouraged to study by our families and more of the second-generation have professional and managerial jobs. Are we just the boring, model minority?

I asked my extended family and my BBC friends why we don’t do more to create a visible image. Their responses confirm my view that our essential character tends to be modest and, thus, we avoid publicity. Here is a quote from a male cousin: “I think we’re generally a conservative bunch and happier that way! I have never been one to really gloat or shout out my successes.” And another from a female friend: “I think the Chinese self-effacing nature is still prevalent in our upbringing and continues as adults. Personally, I’ve never liked having the spotlight on me, which is why I much prefer to work ‘behind the scenes,’ even though I work in the media!”

Small Numbers means Small Numbers in the Public Eye

According to the 2001 Census by the Office for National Statistics, there are 247,403 people of Chinese ethnicity in the UK. This amounts to 0.4% of the UK population and 5.3% of the total ethnic minority population compared to the Indians, the largest ethnic minority, who make up 1.8% of the UK population and 22.7% of the ethnic minority population. Also, compared to the other minorities, the Chinese tend to be more widespread and decentralized. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=273

Given that Chinese people make up so little of the UK population and we’re generally media-shy, a case can be made that we’ll get less exposure as only a small number of potential Chinese role models are competing against the majority white English in the mainstream.

Why we need British Chinese Role Models

Granted that role models can come from any sphere and ethnicity, I believe there are still valid reasons why we need more British Chinese role models.

Firstly, not least to dispel the negative views, stereotypes and clichés of Chinese in the media. Personally, I’m tired of seeing our community portrayed only as takeaway owners/workers, illegal immigrants, triad members, pirated DVD hawkers, martial artists, geeks and gamblers. Yes, we have elements of all of that, good and bad, but it’s not the whole picture of who we are as British Chinese.

Globally, there’s a general negative and fearful outlook of Chinese generated from western media and academic debates on the rise of China as the next superpower. I regularly hear a stream of negative reporting on China – major recalls of toys made in China; tainted food exports and child labour being exploited to make Olympic souvenirs to name but a few – and I fear this may have a negative impact on the UK’s Chinese communities by association.

Secondly, although we have global Chinese movie stars and icons, such as Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li, as role models they won't fundamentally improve the perception of Chinese people in the UK. Rather, their stardom serves to perpetuate the stereotypes of Chinese being martial arts experts, despite some major Chinese stars winning roles in non-martial arts movies in recent years. We need a wider range of home-grown, Chinese role models to present a more accurate picture of British Chinese people in mainstream society.

Thirdly, it’s commonly accepted that role models inspire people, especially young people, and having more British Chinese role models will give young BBCs better reference points as to what it means to be British Chinese in today’s Britain. For young BBCs, the British part of their identity is well represented in the media, at school, and in their daily lives, but for those who are isolated from other BBCs and, perhaps, they’re the only Chinese person in their class, seeing more British Chinese role models in the public eye may reassure them about their identity and inspire them to achieve their ambitions.

Fourthly, if we see more British Chinese in professions in which we’ve been underrepresented in the past, it becomes a reality rather than a barrier. When people see what can be achieved through the advances of those in their likeness, it raises their own aspirations and expectations, so in the future we may well see Premiership British-born Chinese footballers, distinguished Members of Parliament, ambitious Chief Executive Officers and top fashion designers.

Lastly, following on from my fourth point, having more British Chinese role models will not only help with individuals’ confidence, it will raise our confidence as a minority. The more positive we feel about our likeness being portrayed in the public domain, the more we may feel we can accomplish in the things we do everyday. We can dare to dream, to believe in the possibilities and, hopefully, encouraged by others’ successes, more role models will break through into the mainstream consciousness.

In part two of her article, Susan talks to four British Chinese who are making waves in their fields.

Similar experiences? Let us know by posting your comments below. You can also email Susan directly here: This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it .

 
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Jeff Posted 10:13 on 24 November 2007
I don't really think we (as in, humans, not specifically race related) need a role model that is based on our ethnicity. Rather we need those based on the area we want to be successful in; I have never felt that we (as a race) can't do something because there hasn't been a previous example beforehand.

What's more obvious, coming from the stats above and in the telegraph article, is that whilst a significant number of chinese are aiming for business and high status careers - they aren't getting them.

A third of chinese have business/MBA degrees; then why is it I see that 100% of boardrooms consist of white and maybe one or two black members? The British Born have been here for a couple of generations now, you owuld expect us to make significant headway into this.

Hence why we really are being crippled by the "host" country, and why we need to concentrate on this, rather than how good our kids are doing academically. We know that - "chinese are clever", blah blah stereotypes. Well, clever means nothing in the real world if you don't have power and status.

Having read about other BBC's accounts of their personal career paths, they hardy need any confidence or a role model - what they need is for whites to remove the glass ceiling from us.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 20:27 on 24 November 2007
Jeff,

Thanks for your thoughts on my article. You obviously have strong feelings about this subject. I agree with you that we, as British-born Chinese, can achieve anything with sheer hard work, determination and guts, and can succeed in areas where we have no examples in the past. As you will read in the second part of my piece where I interview four prominent BBCs, successful people in their fields find their inspiration from the excellence of people who have gone before them no matter what their ethnicity or culture.

I think it takes more than two generations for our numbers to swell the ranks of CEOs and major figures in society, but in each generation there are more and more people who are breaking through, whom we can look to and be inspired. I think, in the future, we will reach a point of critical mass where there will be enough of us reaching higher levels in our professions and breaking through the barriers into the next levels; breaking through the "Old Boys' Networks" and the unspoken discrimination. That's why we need more BBCs not only to reach excellence in their fields, but to speak up and tell their stories( even if it goes against our innate modesty) and we need other BBCs to celebrate and talk about these people's successes, and not moan that life is unfair and we can't get through the hoops.

Who says life is fair? Just because we work hard do you think that someone is going to hand us something on a plate? No question at all there are many barriers and hurdles for us to overcome; yes, it's very frustrating and disheartening when you get nowhere, you don't get the job, society seems to put us down (we've all been through our hurdles), but we can't just blame external factors, we need to stand proud, get up and try again; to shout out for those who are making in-roads in the Establishment, support them so they DO become the people with power and status; we need to support our peers in any way we can. We need to believe in ourselves that we are good enough to do whatever we set out to do(people will respond to that confidence.) We need to reach out to "white" people in power, who can be champions and mentors, who can help us negotiate difficult and tricky paths and form strong alliance with other interested parties to make our voices heard.

Believe in yourself so we won't feel crippled by our "host country" or others who oppress; go for the awards at work even if your confidence tells you "No" or just be a voice in your local community -- on the parent teacher association, in your church group, at your sports club, helping seniors or the homeless, raising funds for sick children, doing whatever is your passion in the community. Not everyone can be in the limelight, but you can be a role model in your life and through your daily example. My husband has never been one to listen to the stats that say you can't; you're not good enough; you won't get the job. If he had listened, he wouldn't have gotten his PhD, nor found a job in America nor obtained his green card when a zillion people were waiting. He did it with sheer guts, determination, working hard and never giving up. Then again, I wouldn't have gotten pregnant and had two children when the doctors gave me a very, very low chance of having children - I would have just stuffed the painful operations and treatments and given up, but I didn't. I think as a people we are proud, strong, resilent and have the strength of our forebears to draw upon (look to our parents example; they suffered discrimination beyond what we have ever experienced.) Let's all go for it no matter what life chucks at you. You know what, I for one will be cheering LOUDLY for each and every one of you!
Jeff Posted 10:20 on 24 November 2007
Oh, as for WHY we are choosing jobs "behind the scenes" - well, through experience I think it's some sort of instinct that we already know that the majority population do not like our race - so our chances of survival are geared upon avoidance of conflict.

Getting in the limelight means we are constantly open to public scrutiny, a public that still can't get over their treatment of blacks properly.

Since these careers rely on the public in order to be successful (e.g.you can't have a good play if your audience refuses to see it because the lead character is chinese), as a race we have subconciously picked the secure ones again, in order to maximise our chances of survival.

After all, our roots do stem from the longest living civilisation the world has seen. And still going.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 21:07 on 24 November 2007
Dear Jeff,

Thank you for your further point about WHY we choose jobs "behind the scenes." I agree that it has to do with survival for the most part. As one of the people I interviewed, who you will read about next week, Kevin Fong talk's about his parents' "Beach Head" or "Siege" mentality of survival when they arrived, settled and lived in Britain and he thinks most immigrant parents wanted their children to do well professionally and academically because that was obtainable through working hard at your schooling. Certainly, that was my parents' thinking so I chose a public sector/business route and forgot my passion for theatre and drama, and my dream of becoming a stage director. I saw my parents work so hard - every hour, every day bar a few hours to sleep - to make a life for us. I couldn't risk not making my own way and asking them for money so I chose the path that would give me a decent income and an independent life.

However, my choice was more than just about survival, it was based on the circumstances of being the first British-born generation of new immigrants. As the generations progress, we become more integrated and part and parcel of society, and the survival instinct will lessen so younger people have the liberty to choose a different career-path, a more "risky" one and one, if they want, in the limelight and not about money.

Certainly, my children will never have to experience having to work every night in a restaurant or takeway up to midnight or later and still do your homework and get up early the next morning so you are not late for school. They will never feel the bone-chilling tiredness in the morning in your lessons because you didn't have a good enough night's sleep because you were helping in your parents' business or have to wipe back the tears because you wished you had more than a few hours to study for the exam as you sit the exam. These were all character-building experiences for me. My son and daughter will have the liberty to explore the possibilities and try without that extra layer I went through, and I can share my life experiences and will be fully supportive of their dreams. They are already growing up with the American "can do" spirit where nothing is beyond one's imagination.

As the generations progress, so will the confidence levels increase so our children, grandchildren and their children can believe what's possible. Maybe, we won't be alive to see it, but I for one feel I am doing my part to instill confidence in the example I show to my children everyday.
pensggs - Role models=?Chinese Posted 17:47 on 24 November 2007
Here, I do agree with Jeff Minter, role models do not need to come from our own ethnicity. We get role models from around our surroundings and from those we come into contact with. Our past life experiences will also shape our present and future. The water of the world flows downstream and trying to change its course requires human intervention.

We have great Chinese role models throughout the Chinese culture and of Chinese origin. Take Sun-Yat-sen, Mao tse-tung, Lee Kuan Yew, Shi Huang Ti, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Lau Tak Hwa (Andy Lau), Fai Fai, Jackie Chan, etc). They are not 'role models' because of what they do, or who they are. They are role models because of how they got to where they are.

In my great age today, past needing to prove to myself, my family, my friends and all those around me; I can look back with a mixture of happiness, sadness and satisfaction, the life path I have taken or move on by myself or circumstances, for valid reasons or because of arrogance or misinformation. Mistakes are made and will continue to be made and it is this constant moving on that makes us human.

Too much emphasis are given to public role models, can we should look closer to home.
Susan S. Cheung - Role models =?C hinese Posted 21:23 on 24 November 2007
Dear pensggs,

I agree with both you and Jeff that role models do not have to come soley from our ethnicity and, as I said in my piece, our most influential role models are the ordinary people in our lives. Like the wealth of Chinese role models you list throughout our history and culture, we can learn from their struggles and those of our nearest and dearest and people around us. I think you are right in us looking closer to home for our role models. However, I also think we should find our voices to tell our stories to the public, so society will know who we really are as British Chinese and not through a few, recurring old stereotypes.

Thank you for sharing the wisdom of your age and experience. I am sure you are a role model just for being who you are as a human being in your daily life. As I have gotten older, I have come to see ny mistakes as my friends and not my enemies who are laughing at me.
pensggs - Role models Posted 17:59 on 24 November 2007
Whilst discussing about role model, I have recently come across the name of a Chinese person by the name of 'Tsoe Wong' who crashed a plane in the KL racing course. I understand he was involved the the 'flight technology' in those early days in UK. Anyone with information of this person or is he was ancestor?
Susan S. Cheung - Role models Posted 21:36 on 24 November 2007
Dear pensggs,

I too would be interested to find out more about this person you mention.

I think we have many "unsung heroes" in Chinese history and in the shorter history of the Chinese in the UK. Being a hero is not about being brave, it could be being the first, the one to survive great set-backs and circumstances, the one to beat the odds in any humble situation. I'm sure we have such unsung heroes in our families and wouldn't it be wonderful and life-changing for us to dig deeper, find out more and write their stories so successive generations and, maybe, the public hear these great stories. One such person to do this is Helen Tse. In writing her family's memoirs of their trials and tribulations, she becomes the first published British-born Chinese author with her book selling in 33 countries. Read about my interview with her next week in part 2 of my Role Models' article.
Alice Chun - BBC Role models Posted 23:40 on 24 November 2007
Dear Susan,

A beautiful and incisive article I greatly enjoy. You have achieve much more than I in about the same time in this world also having command of English which I still struggle.

When I was much young also aspire for role model but as live in China there were so many heros, mainly party martyrs or leaders we were supposed to look up to for inspiration. As I got older and more “international” I started to look for foreign heros and role models and was inspire by people like Laura Nyro, and Joan Baez. Funnily it never struck me that they werent Chinese it was that they were women that inspire me.

Once I came to the west I cease to look for Chinese hero. Yes I like certain Chinese musician, actors and actresses but it is still free and strong women that inspire me it not important to me anymore if they black or white or Asian. It still excite me to see strong Asian woman lead in movie, Asian woman make achievement in music or sport is wonderful to see but is not so important to me anymore. I grow more confident in my identity as growing older and recognise my limitations and accepting of my fate I am looking for my own goals and inspire rather than model my behaviours on others.

If there is one person, one woman that inspire me more than anyone else it must be Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and her peaceful struggle for democracy in Burma. Sixteen years under house arrest and almost alone and yet she inspire so many people. Truly a female Mandela.

I am looking forward to next part of your article.

Alice
Susan S. Cheung Posted 17:37 on 25 November 2007
Dear Alice,

Thank you for sharing your experiences and views, and for your kind words.

I was thinking about the inspiration of women as an example for other women. I have a girlfriend who has recently received her law degree, just found out she has passed her bar exam and has become an attorney here in the US. Not so long ago, she immigrated to the US, is in her mid-30s, raises two children under five and holds the fort at home while her husband travels away from home for work five out of seven days, and has completed her studies on top of that. I am blown away by her inspiration and grit. I think women are miracles, truly inspirational. It's people like my friend who are the real role models.

Like you, I don't think having role models is about modelling our behaviour on them, although it could be a factor. Instead, we look to role models for inspiration and confirmation - we are inspired by their success and achievements, hard work and example. I think, as you write about your own experiences throughout the years, we have different people we admire and who inspire us at different stages in our life.

Thank you for your interest in my article and please look for part two on 1st December.

Susan
Lili - Role models Posted 13:31 on 26 November 2007
Hi Susan,
Thanks for another well thought out article. I completely agree with you that more role models within the British Chinese community would be highly inspirational and, I think, vital for the success and motivation of the younger generation of BBCs going through the education system now.

You mention global Chinese 'role models' such as Jet Li and the likes. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I feel no affinity whatsoever with Zhang Zhiyi, Jackie Chan etc - no more than I do with Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie! The key difference is they've grown up indigenous and we haven't. I would be much more inclined to 'look up' to British Born Chinese like myself who have overcome various adversities to find status/high profile/success in unexpected arenas (such as the arts or basically anything other than medicine, finance etc) - because those arenas are the ones that present more of a challenge to succeed in.

Rather than aiming for more role models, I would urge everyone in the BBC community to push for greater visibility in whichever field they're in. Don't be afraid to raise your head above the parapet, to celebrate your successes or to push yourself out of your comfort zone and perhaps in doing so you'll be enabling fellow BBCs to do the same.
Susan S. Cheung - Role Models Posted 18:34 on 26 November 2007
Dear Lili,

Thank you for sharing your views. I'm glad my article provided some food for thought for you.

Your point about BBCs having no affinity to global Chinese "role models" is spot on and we would be more inclined, as you said, to "look up" to and be inspired by other BBCs, who understand our point of reference and have overcome adversity to achieve success in unexpected areas. You will read about four such people in Part 2 of my article published on 1st December.

I thoroughly support your challenge of others in the British Chinese community to push for greater visibility in their fields; get out of their comfort zones; take risks and celebrate successes, and that, hopefully, will enable others to do the same. We have earned the right to be counted.

No one sets out to be a role model, but those who have overcome much to achieve much gain the visiblity that may help others to be brave and dare to dream.
Kaetelyn - Role Models Posted 16:47 on 26 November 2007
"I haven’t drawn the limelight to myself but, in quiet ways, I’ve been successful."
Someone somewhere in this world has taken a notice of you and uses your life as their "standard" or ideal of how they would like to live their own lives. You may never know it, they may not have the courage or opportunity to tell you just how much of a difference you have made in their lives. But you have.
We touch so many people throughout the years as we walk this earth. I recently told my sister how much I admired her and always wanted to be that strong confident woman that she has always been to me. That was the beginning of our new adult friendship. She confided in me that she was just as scared and unsure at times as I was. I was shocked at first to find this out, but then slowly I realized that I had become the successful woman just like her. I came to this understanding when I was sharing this with my closest friend and she told me she admired me and MY courage. I was amazed that I too could have an impact like that on someone's life. I unknowingly gave her the courage to seek help with a major health concern; and I am so thankful that she did! I am a mother of three adult kids and a grandmother; it still never really dawned on me that I could influence another life so profoundly. Now I am even more cognizant of the decisions that I make in my life. They aren't always the smartest ones, but at least I am aware of the concequenses.
You do not have to be a certain race, religion, sex or stature to impact a person. It could be anybody, anywhere, anytime. If you can make a positive difference in your community then you are truly a role model.
Susan S. Cheung - Role Models Posted 19:10 on 26 November 2007
Dear Kaetelyn,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I absolutely agree with your view that we never know whom we may touch and inspire just through being who we are in our daily lives.

I wanted to share with you a conversation I had with my sister, who is 11 years younger than me. This took place in my late twenties when I was completely focussed on my career and she was working towards her "A Levels" (UK exams to get into university.) She told me how much she admired me; she wanted to do well for me and the family, but how intimidating it was to follow in my footsteps. I was completely taken aback because, as far as I was concerned, I was just focussed on me and had no idea of the impact of my push and drive would have on her and my other younger siblings. It taught me a lesson that we are mostly unaware of how much influence we have over others and, as much as our single-mindedness or decisions can inspire, (and it's good we can be a factor in others' successes,) it can, also, intimidate. Suffice it to say after that conversation, my sister and I have a much more open relationship and, like you, I have come to be aware of the consequences of the decisions I make in my life.
Kaetelyn - One of my many role models Posted 16:58 on 26 November 2007
I know you are surprised to find this out...I am not Chinese.
But I have had many people in my life who have influenced me at various stages. One lady was named Jeannie Hodge, she passed away some years ago. Jeannie was a confident and beautiful black woman who taught me (at the young age of 7) to respect all people. She took me and my twin sister under her wing and carted us along with her own twin sons all over Biloxi, Mississippi in 1970. This was a time a great racial tension in the USA. She wanted all 4 of us kids to grow up with mutual respect and friendship. She opened my eyes, my mind and most importantly, my heart to welcome people into my life. My circle of friends is so rich today because of her influence.
So, no you do not have to be the same race to be a role model, you just have to be true to yourself.
Susan S. Cheung - One of my many role models Posted 20:33 on 26 November 2007
Hi Kaetelyn,

Thank you for your further post and sharing the lovely story about your role model, Jeannie Hodge, at a critical time in US history in terms of race relations. I am truly happy that DimSum is getting an international following.

I agree with your point here and in your earlier post that role models can come from any race, religion, sex or stature and I said as much in my article. However, one of the key arguments in my article is, as a community because we are a tiny minority in the UK (0.4% of the UK population,) the British Chinese need more visibility in the people, who are making progress in their fields and that visibility and their example serve as role models for other British Chinese, who may seek affirmation and inspiration. I do think we are fragmented as a community and many live in isolation of other British Chinese. To see others in the media and public life will raise confidence for us a community because we will see mirrors of ourselves as an established and celebrated part of the mainstream.

Perhaps, we are not so far along with visibility as the minorities in the US because we have only two generations into our history of the Chinese diapora from Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Malaysia etc., to the UK since the 1950s.
Lili - In response Posted 17:30 on 26 November 2007
Kaetelyn,
No one is in doubt that role models come in all shapes, sizes and colours. However, this doesn't change the fact that a British Chinese person winning the Nobel prize or the Orange Prize for Fiction is going to be far more inspirational to me (and other Brit Chinese), personally, than a white British person. Until you've lived the immigrant/second generation experience there's no real way for you to understand this but it is true and that's why Susan's article is so resonant.
Peter Posted 17:55 on 27 November 2007
Very interesting piece, Susan. Your mention of David Yip reminded me of that other stalwart of British TV - Burt Kwok, but also of one of the ways that Chinese role models, among actors at least, were complicated on British TV by the fact that Kwok for instance used to play a lot of Asian characters - Chinese, but also often Japanese (as Peter Seller's manservant in the Pink Panther movies and also in that BBC Television drama about a Japanese POW camp - Tenko, I think it was called). And then, of course, there were various negative role models - I recall watching a lot of those old Fu Manchu movies on UK TV as a kid, though there as in the Charlie Chan movies the main roles were played by white actors in 'yellow face'.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 19:33 on 27 November 2007
Dear Peter,

Wow, what a trip down memory lane! I remember watching Tenko. I had forgotten about Burt Kowk, but maybe I was confused by his television appearances and actually thought he's Japanese! It's a good point you make and speaks to the white establishment back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s that lumped actors of different ethnicity into one, so taking for granted that because you have an Asian/Oriental face you can play Chinese or Japanese or other Asian characters and speak with a heavy Chinese accent, even though you grew up in Britain. I wonder what the situation is for British Chinese actors on current TV shows? Any actors out there please respond.
chinaman - role models Posted 15:43 on 28 November 2007
Malcolm X for sure

Don't even know many British Chinese in the limelight, and of those the only one I respect is Jabez Lam.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 18:08 on 28 November 2007
Thanks Chinaman for sharing who your role models are and I have just looked up the work of Jabez Lam for Min Quan.
Jean Davidson - role models Posted 21:49 on 28 November 2007
Hi Shifay
My thoughts really don't change much over the years I have become more and more to believe in what is happening now not the past not the future. I think you might recognise this as Tao. In my work with Shiatsu, I know the version I work with has been developed by the Japanese however, I never forget nor do other practitioners the value of Traditional Chinese Medicine in the work we do. I think the Chinese are all pioneers whatever their field of work. You are always seeking improvement unlike the majority of Brits who to me seem to sit back on their laurels (some of which are not worth mentioning anymore). Today complementary therapies based on ancient Chinese medicines are making great inroads in to the health of people in the UK and I believe also in the USA. I have recently read a book on Traditional Chinese Medicine for Women by Xaolan Zhao (I hope the spelling is accurate this is from memory. I leant the book to one of my clients and haven't seen it since.) In my opinion she is a great role model and Dr in western medicine and Chinese Medicine yes in the USA. Believe in your heritage enjoy the great strength of your culture it is much more than many indiginous Brits have. Belief in yourself and your family will bring the best role model for your children. Don't analyse too much it takes too much Qi and depletes your strength.
Take care
Love
Jean
Susan S. Cheung Posted 1:21 on 29 November 2007
Dear Jean,

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and insights, which you have gained over your life and in your work with Shiatsu.

While I absolutely agree that belief in self and family, and a pride in one's heritage, history and cultural roots can be the best role models and can get you far, and many of my generation of British Chinese have proven that, I still feel that, because we are such a small minority in the UK, to see more British-born Chinese faces in the public domain will help with confidence for us as a minority and for individuals. We have gone past the survival stage now as a minority and subsequent generations need to see successes so they can see beyond the barriers of racism, which still exist in the UK today. When you are a minority facing the white majority, there is something very powerful in seeing your likeness being celebrated not only by your own community but by society at large. It is a validation of all the hard work of your parents' generation and your hard work, and something we can shout about to the world.
Oksauce Posted 21:41 on 29 November 2007
I think the Chinese who made the most impact must have been President Jiang Zimen. By his enjoyment and public performance of karaoke, he was the first to show us that it does not matter what other people think as long as you enjoy yourself and many chinese men have very thick skin and love life.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 18:08 on 30 November 2007
Dear Oksauce,

I think it's good when world leaders and leaders per se show us their other sides, it makes them more human, as long as the 'other side' doesn't make us lose respect for them or lose our confidence in them! I think all Chinese people love a joke and laugh, and enjoy life!
fashion Posted 17:52 on 30 November 2007
er...frankly i think that "how to look good" gok wan has more impact haha
Susan S. Cheung Posted 18:11 on 30 November 2007
Dear fashion,

Indeed Gok Wan is listed in the Wikipedia list of prominent people for his work on fashion and as a TV presenter. But, he is braver still as someone who is of Chinese descent to be openly gay, as this is still taboo for the older generation.
Anonymous Posted 0:37 on 2 December 2007
While not belittling Gok achievement. The greatest fashion icon for the chinese this century must be Chairman Mao; Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaopin for popularising the Mao suit and spawning fashionable immitations.
oksauce Posted 0:48 on 2 December 2007
Dear susan
I pressed the send button without scrutinising of my writing.
Much apology.

"While not belittling Gok achievements. The greatest fashion icon for the chinese this century must be Chairman Mao; Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaopin for popularising the Mao suit and spawning fashionable immitations."
Susan S. Cheung Posted 2:47 on 2 December 2007
Dear Oksauce,

It seems a reflection of public interest that those in the public eye will be scrutinized for their fashion sense as well as for what they do and those in power may have influence even in making a fashion statement!
ESEA Michiko Posted 8:54 on 3 December 2007
Sometimes, British Chinese are unconsciously acting as role models but they do not announce their status. I am leading an international group of Online University of Liverpool students from Far East, South East Asia and Indochina from the UK. Do we need to stand out in the crowd to show our talents when innovation has brought the flexibility and convenience in being a role model behind the screen or with virtual teams? The students include CEOs, GMs and Directors and I am mentoring them while they undertake their Masters degree. I am in the midst of both cultures and blending in to the cultures of others has helped me achieve my goals as a 'role model, recognised overseas and in the UK too. There are no limitations and boundaries to being a role model as a BC.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 16:07 on 3 December 2007
Dear ESEA Michiko,

It's good to hear about the programme that you are running, and that British Chinese are making strides this way. Yes, there are no limitations and boundaries to being a role model, and most people don't set out to be one. But, as people excel in their fields and make themselves known, they also have a position of power and influence with the wider society.

Ask the people in your group, why is it when British Chinese are making such strides as being CEOs, GMs and Directors we don't hear about their success and, as a minority, we are still invisible to the public? I have received many comments from people who ask where are the British Chinese in positions of power, status and influence, and why aren't they making their voices heard and their faces known? We know many of our peers have achieved success in their careers/fields, but their stories are not heard and, therefore, as a community we are still scratching our heads and asking where are the role models in our likeness; they one's making strides and we can point out to other people, and I'm not talking about celebrities, but precisely the people you mention, the CEOs, GMs and Directors.
ESEA Michiko Posted 18:37 on 3 December 2007
Culture, arrogance and 'face' play a big part in BC behaviours. The BCs who have climbed up the ladder would have preferred to remain unknown. Do you expect Li Ka Shing to walk out and tell the whole world that he is sitting with the Board in the UK to advise on business as a whole? It is up to the ones who wish to know them to search for them. If they happened to be prominent by chance because of media or with a clique of rich and famous, then perhaps the public would be able to read about their background to gaining success in their careers and business. The fear of 'face loss' and gossips is still something linked to the Chinese cultures. This is practically embedded in the ethnicity. Being born in the UK and bred up in a Chinese family may have strong influence with their ethnic cultures and the belief in Confucianism. So they are not so 'British' and open after all. You seek them and they will be visible!
Susan S. Cheung Posted 21:06 on 3 December 2007
Dear ESEA Michiko,

I take your point about culture and face play being part of British Chinese behaviour and there is much in our character, which is unassuming and stays away from publicity. But if Chinese people, who are British-born or raised, do not see they can be role models of inspiration to the younger generation and "ambassadors" to the wider community, if they reach positions of influence (overcoming much to achieve their successes) and choose to always think about their success in isolation and lay low instead of what it could mean for younger BBCs, then many more generations will grow up to believe we have no successes recognized by society in our midst and will always remain the "invisible" minority. I am not saying they should deliberately seek out the limelight or be arrogant, but neither am I saying hide yourself, underplay your successes, forget about the opportunities where you can tell your story as a BBC, who has overcome much in two generations to achieve what you have achieved. How can I find out about them, if I do not even know they exist? I had enough problems finding the four people I interviewed for the second part of my article.

I desparately wanted to see people in my likeness achieving success (and I don't mean being a celebrity) in any field when I was growing up, but all I saw were stereotypes of Chinese people in the media or celebrities from China, Hong Kong, and other countries who were so far removed from my upbringing as a BBC.

With the utmost respect to Li Ka Shing, as a British-born Chinese, I am more inspired by my peers who were born in the UK or brought up in the UK from a young age. They are the people I draw the most inspiration from, if they have achieved excellence in their fields, because they share my background and frame of reference.

I would be interested to hear what the British-born Chinese CEOs, GMs and Directors in their late twenties, thirties and forties in your group feel about this subject and would be happy to receive any feedback at susan@dimsum.co.uk
Lili - Face and arrogance Posted 11:19 on 4 December 2007
ECHEA Michiko,
What you say about face, arrogance being cultural behaviours unique to the Chinese is so true. I think in many ways this is the reason we haven't as much communal strength as, say, South Asians or the Black African/Caribbean communities who are far better at supporting each other and helping each other advance. I can think of a few BCs I've met who are in fairly influential/high profile positions who are elitist and snobbish as opposed to being open and inclusive. It's counter productive to what we are trying to achieve as a community and a real shame.
ESEA Michiko Posted 21:46 on 4 December 2007
I don't think BCs are very united like the South Asians and Black African/Caribbean. E.g. in London, the BC middle and upper class income earners tend to desocialise. They work and go home, but lacks the interest of showing their talents to the world. When some English friends and crazy people like me invite them to a late evening, regardless of gender, they seem to care more for home and hide away. With these attitudes and behaviours, it shows that even a UK-born BC could not erase the dominant Chinese cultures sometimes. Desocialisation and socialisation in isolation (entertaining at home) are two main factors that keep the BCs away from limelight. From my experience, the BCs will emerge in a party when they know that they are very comfortable in the crowd, have friends whom they can trust and do not feel left out in the group.
fashionsnob - gokwan Posted 19:11 on 5 December 2007
why do roles models have to be about trade and commerce?
... about Gok Wan what i find most interesting is not his fashion makeovers, but he doesn't speak with an exaggerated chinese accent like so many celebrity cooks who represent the chinese as an embarrassing brand. celeb cook Ken Hom does the hands pressed together (AH-SO) bow every time he is on tv...sad.. as for nancy lam et al, that accent has to be a act.
Susan S. Cheung - Gok Wan Posted 21:17 on 5 December 2007
Dear fashionsnob,

I think role models can come from any areas of society. Sometimes, it depends on what your interests are as to whom you lay the mantle of role model. There are BBCs out there who are involved in innovative areas in non-mainstream, non-trade and non-commerce fields. We need to let others know who they are - I'm sure there will be much interest. Someone replied to part two of my article and mentioned Susie Bubble as someone doing interesting things. If you can recommend or showcase any other BBCs out there doing something different, let me know.

If second generation British Chinese are expected to speak with a heavy Chinese accent on television, it certainly reinforces public perceptions of stereotypes; it's different if it's their normal accent like many of my parents' generation. I think it's a dilemma for British Chinese actors (or others on TV) who may be asked to put on the accent (or play a particular stereotype) because they are not given roles that require them to speak in their normal British accents. What do you do - go with the accent or don't take the role (when there are so few roles for Chinese actors) because of principle?
ESEA Michiko Posted 20:14 on 5 December 2007
Hi Fashionsnob,

Role models can be anyone and not necessary related with trade and commerce although most people would immediately think of this segment. If some are representing certain counties in the UK as volunteers and remain anonymous, they are considered as role models too. They are well-known within their own community.

I think when corporate leaders have the money power and in the elite social circle of the trade and commerce sectors, they are well-known if they are doing well. People will automatically recognise them as role models. Human behaviours are such that they may feel and think that they symbolised role models.
fashionsnob - role models Posted 18:54 on 6 December 2007
hi susan and michiko (above)

thanks for the comments, just to add that there is another issue that BBC role models or ppl that are successful in their chosen field may not specifically want to be associated with being branded as chinese but like anyone else, regardless of cultural background. It doesnt always work out like that of course, i know many fashion or arts ppl who automatically are expected to have a sort of chinese hybrid theme or favour running in their work. anyway enough congee talk for the mo.
Anonymous - oksauce Posted 9:05 on 7 December 2007
Hi Sue
As an aside I think you should inquire if the material published on this site is archived for future reference. There are not many of us and what is written here is quite inspirational and of relevant in a historical and social perspective.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 14:02 on 7 December 2007
Dear Oksauce,

I will certainly put your question to the editorial team. Thanks for bringing this up.

Susan
Susan S. Cheung - DimSum Archives Posted 16:02 on 8 December 2007
Dear Oksauce,

I got this information from the website editor:

"As far as I am aware, the British Library has included Dimsum in their web archive project so that in many years ahead there will be a record of all our content."
Oksauce Posted 9:21 on 7 December 2007
I do go along with much of what previous readers are saying. The subject is however much more complex. For example I feel too many people use Confucious teachings to excuse their behaviour. Keeping quiet is not always a good idea. For example until about 2000 job adverts in Hong Kong do not usually publish salary being offered. Once this practice was overthrown I discover that bilingual executive is much in demand and get much better paid. This does not imply I think this is a good idea only that it means I can appreciate the job market better.
Susan S. Cheung Posted 14:32 on 7 December 2007
Dear Oksauce,

Thank you for raising the topic of Confucius's teachings. Are these subliminally messages ingrained in us from childhood through our parents' example and teachings, and we don't even know how much that influences our behaviour or do we consciously use these as an excuse for our behaviour? I don't know, I have to think about that. What do others of you think?

I would like to think we are getting more assertive about asking the right questions of a job advert, interview and job offer so we don't just accept what is on the surface of an advert, etc.
oksauce Posted 13:18 on 10 December 2007
Our understanding of Confucius teaching, is context based. For example here is a verse which encourage the less than brave to shut up and mind our own business.
"To put the world right in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right - Confucius.
Confucius was just too demanding. So we need modern role model to put things in context.
joepih - role models Posted 16:16 on 21 December 2007
Hi I am 49 years of age and of mixed heritage, my father was chinese and my mother Irish. I am from a family of 16, yes 16, 8 sisters and 7 brothers. We are all in full time employment and have never been in trouble with the police.

We have never had a resturant or takeaway business, I am a full time youth worker in Rochdale. Its my calling in life to be the best person that I can, to help motivate and provide answeres to every young person that i come into contact with.

We talk about positive role models if we all put eneogh effort into helping our communties it dosent matter how large or small a contribution is and Im not talking about money time is a currency, quality time, just five minutes to talk and understand whats going on in a young persons mind at that momant in time could make all the difference.

Please have a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
Susan S. Cheung - role models Posted 1:07 on 23 December 2007
Dear joepih,

Thank you for sharing your story and it's a great testament to your family that you're successful and doing well as individuals and as a family.

You work in an admirable profession (I think undervalued) and vital for young people to have support at vulnerable times in their lives. I did some voluntary work with young people in the 90s and found tremendous satisfaction in helping them work through some of their angst and identity issues. I was daunted at the beginning, but, as you said, it was really about having the time to listen to what they were saying and understand their perspective; to walk a step in their shoes.

I think some of us do help in our communities, but something for all British Chinese to think about: Are we community-minded and want to help or are we happy to sit back on our successes thinking that others will help instead?

Wishing you a very Merry Christmas too and much success in 2008.

Susan
Waiching Liu - british born chinese role mode Posted 14:54 on 9 February 2008
dear Susan

yet again, you have made some valid and interesting points, this time regarding the lack of british born chinese rolemodels. you're right though, it doesn't matter what profession they ply their trade in- whether that would be in the arts, entertainment, sports, business, for us we need to find out more about them, read about them and see them on TV.

i take into consideration two factors- firstly, the role of the mainstream media as in the national newspapers, magazines, the bbc, channel 4- but wait, the workers who occupy such high positions in power tend to be upper/middle class, and white. secondly, when we ought to consider that in america, canada and australia, they have much larger chinese communities compared to the UK. in 2005, the US, had 3 million ABCs, australia had 669,890(2006) and canada's figure is 1.3 million (2004) compared britain which is under 3,000. plus if you do a search on wikipedia you will be interested to know of the chinese americans, australians, canadians, jamaicans who have made it in the media and entertainment industries for example.

as for the role models argument, i can understand where they are coming from. i have no affiliation towards the likes of jackie chan, jet li, zhang zhi to name- no disrespect to them or their work- because they were born indigenous. they weren't diaspora based chinese, they are hong kong chinese or chinese from china. and so whilst they are chinese, just like you and me, what makes them different is their nationality. they are from hong kong, china- i am on the other hand british but my ethnicity is chinese. i was born in england, therefore, that makes me a BBC.

nevertheless, the important is that the achievements of british chinese people need to be acknowledhged more in the mainstream. we need to find out about their successes, to praise them but also to take inspiration from them in order to motivate us to become better at what we do. no matter what that profession is. also the argument about us being too passive has to be addressed- okay we don't want people saying or writing bad things about us, but do we want to be further isolated from other ethnic communities and remain invisible for the rest of our lives? of course not.

we just need people willing to represent 'our' community and give us something to be proud of through their achievements but at the same time do so by using and putting their talents and skills to good use
Susan S. Cheung - british born chinese role mode Posted 14:19 on 13 February 2008
Dear Waiching Liu,

Apologies for the late response to your post as we were celebrating Chinese New Year with friends this weekend so I took a break from writing.

Thank you for your comments. You ask whether British-Born Chinese want to remain invisible? I think for our generations (the first or second born in this country) have worked hard to blend into the mainstream communitie