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Friday, 15 February 2008

The Chinese community is usually overlooked by mainstream media, but a recent article featured Dimsum.co.uk in a list of prominent minority websites.

In their article 'Is the BNP racist?' the BNP news team advocate support for the supporting the rights of the poor ‘indigenous british population’. Within this line of thinking, they revoke allegations of racism suggesting that if they are deemed as racist, then other organisations that support other minority communities are also racist.

Of the list of 'racist' sites, the Chinese community were represented by Dimsum.co.uk, together with Chinatown-online.co.uk and Doncaster Chinese. We were all accused of being 'racist' as we 'too address themselves exclusively to the issues and concerns of their respective communities'.

In a somewhat biased piece of journalism, BNP's newsteam failed to notice that our management and contributor teams comprise a large number of people of South East Asian decent - BBC, ABC, CBC, HKBC, Vietnamese and first generation Chinese, as well as from French, British, American, American, New Zealand descent.

Additionally themes we cover such as identity (Southern Africa, A, B or C? ), mixed race relationships (True Love: East Meets West, Does it bother you that I'm Chinese? ), and issues concerning identity such as Dual identity, My Duality, directly conflict with the stance towards racism that is seen in the BNP.

For those unfamiliar with the BNP or the British National Party, they are the far right political party who are in their 2005 election manifesto advocated "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home." They have close links with neo-Nazi, terrorist and paramilitary groups such as Combat 18, and various fascist groups across Europe.

Amongst their beliefs, their Chair Nick Griffin denies the holocaust and gas chambers of World War Two. Women are seen as 'nurturer of children' and encouraged to stay at home, whilst men are seen as protectors and providers. In addition, homosexuality is outlawed and civil partnerships were opposed beacuse of this. Most recently they have taken a stronganti Islamic stance, which was reflected in their list 'racist' minority sites.

Our journalist Simon Crab, both a member of the 'indigenous British population' and a core member of Dimsum, questioned their view on the 'indigenous British population' as the British Isles has been home to a great number of immigrants, including the Vikings, Normans and Romans over the centuries.

Posts to confirm that minorities have been in the UK for hundreds of years together with evidence that soldiers from black, Asian and South East Asian countries also served in the war, were deleted and he has now been banned from the site. Ironically the BNP's newspaper is called the 'Voice of Freedom'.

 
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siu mai Posted 18:07 on 15 February 2008
[b]"other organisations that support other minority communities are also racist.
I don't think dim sum is a racist site as such..they don't promote racial propaganda against other races in comparison to the BNP". [/b]

This forum does NOT just support the chinese community, it opens up the chinese culture to EVERYBODY. DimSum welcomes every single person regardless to what ethnic background you come from, unlike the BNP website community who only spread hatred for others who are not white.

This forum is merely for people who are from the same race and are only promoting a place for other people and also for the oriental community to share thoughts about current asian events etc.

There is no such racial hatred against any other race as far as I have seen.

I frequent this site on a daily basis and I think to hear Dim SUm forums as being a racist site is absolutely absurd.
Chun XuePing Posted 19:19 on 15 February 2008
Having seen some of the recent posts on this site especially under the "Spielberg in Darfur snub to China" thread I have felt quite ashamed.

There are a lot of anti-white and anti-semitic postings there. Some are quite horrible and not surprise we are viewed this way. I also know people who have given up on this site for this reason.
Susan S. Cheung - open to all Posted 20:18 on 15 February 2008
Dear friends,

As a frequent contributor to DimSum, I write about my observations on British Chinese culture for EVERYBODY who is interested. As far as I have observed and I write about it in my articles, the focus of topics is about being Chinese in multi-cultural Britain or items of interest in living in such a diverse country. As British Chinese, we are part of the wider society in the UK and that is acknowledged in the website from the diversity of the editorial team and contributors to the width of topics DimSum portrays.

I have a wide audience for my articles and they are from different countries and nationalities, white, black, South East Asian, Asian and mixed race and not exclusively British Chinese. I have welcomed EVERYBODY who has read and responded to my articles without reservation.

I have worked in the fields of training, development, management consultancy, specializing in communication and diversity and inclusion for all my adult life and I think the spirit of DimSum, while providing a forum for British Chinese (born/raised or ethnic Chinese who have settled in Britain), is open to EVERYONE who wants to find out more and contribute to the topics and discussions. If I thought DimSum was racist, I simply wouldn't be writing for the website.

I can't comment on the people who post to the forum topics and whether they are racist or not, but the editorial team monitors any such posts if there are any and takes action as appropriate. As far as I'm concerned, this site is for EVERYONE. It's a pity that the BNP hasn't done its research properly to make this allegation.

Best regards,

Susan S. Cheung.
Chun Xueping Posted 20:36 on 15 February 2008
I agree that Dimsum is not racist but some of the forum postings by certain peoples being the most racist and unpleasant I ever see. There is constant anti-white atmosphere and while free speech is to be encourage Im always surprised editors take no action.

I think if BNP have taken sample of some forum postings Im not surprised we are disgraced in this way.
Christine Hsu Posted 20:37 on 15 February 2008
[size=medium]The reason why BNP is racist - and they are - is their glaringly offensive objective, "it seeks to ensure that British people remain the majority population in this country."

That is the same thing as saying, "We feel that only white people can ride the city bus. Black people are not allowed or must sit in the back."

(I'm American, and though the U.S. is not a perfect nation, lol, we have thoroughly addressed this issue. Google "Rosa Parks" for more information.)

Any other ethnic group that aims for the same goal would also be racist. An example of this would be Cantonese restaurants that make it clear that Mandarin speakers, me being one of them, are not welcome. Though the menu may not explicitly say, "Good service is only provided to Cantonese speakers, we reserve the right to be rude to Mandarin speakers who dare to enter our domain," their actions are indeed racist.

With respect to Dimsum.com.uk, I haven't read anywhere that the goal of the organization is Asian supremacy. So yes... BNP's attempt to analogize Dimsum as an organization with similar objectives was in error.

In conclusion, the folks at BNP are not only racist, but also not all that bright. That is the worst combination, if you ask me.

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chun xueping Posted 21:42 on 15 February 2008
Dear Christine,

BNP is most disgusting organization and I dispise totally. I agree totally that Dimsum is not racist and BNP is wrong to classify Dimsum this way but some forum posters are disgrace us all under the guise of free speech.

I am interested in your observation about Cantonese verse Mandarin. I used to be Canto speaker when child but lost it with move in China and now can only claim to speak Mandarin proper. I was in Canton restaurant at CNY with white guy who travel lots in China and his Mando pretty good (for Caucasian, painfully slow and using fourth tone too much but OK) and he eat Chinese style very well, not just use chopsticks but the little things too that we notice, like not point with sticks, not rattle in bowl, keeping palm turned in. Problem was staff make fun of his Mando, of my speak, offer us knife and fork, waitress treat me like dirt for being with white man, food disgusting, Im sure being spat in. Then in come some white people and I hear gentle observation of restaurant must be good as Chinese people eat there (is common western joke and is not offensive). I feel like saying this is terrible restaurant and you should not honour with your presence but I not wanting to show up my friend or even Chinese people who show such disrespect.

They didn’t get tip and I never go back in 10,000 years.
Phil - LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Posted 19:39 on 26 April 2008
Chun Xueping I saw no racist comments against whites I was going through the Spielberg in Darfur snub to China actually the first racist comment and the first person that was seeming to bring up the race card was you. You seem quite happy to defend or ignore white pro comments like

"I think they have psychological disorders that need addressing or quite simply, if people don't like the UK then why dont they f*ck off back to china."

You say:-

"I am interested in your observation about Cantonese verse Mandarin. I used to be Canto speaker when child but lost it with move in China and now can only claim to speak Mandarin proper. I was in Canton restaurant at CNY with white guy who travel lots in China and his Mando pretty good (for Caucasian, painfully slow and using fourth tone too much but OK) and he eat Chinese style very well, not just use chopsticks but the little things too that we notice, like not point with sticks, not rattle in bowl, keeping palm turned in. Problem was staff make fun of his Mando, of my speak, offer us knife and fork, waitress treat me like dirt for being with white man, food disgusting, Im sure being spat in. Then in come some white people and I hear gentle observation of restaurant must be good as Chinese people eat there (is common western joke and is not offensive). I feel like saying this is terrible restaurant and you should not honour with your presence but I not wanting to show up my friend or even Chinese people who show such disrespect."

I Phil (Who am Chinese Cantonese) SAY THIS:-

Bringing this kind of S**t up here in a discussion about the root of one of the evillest organziation in the world the BNP which have their roots in the NAZI policies DOES NOT HELP ANYONE.


A Chinese girl was walking down the street one day talking with a phone in her hand and she was rode by by a black and a white boy as they laughed off and shouting racist comments (c****y Sl*g - they said ). She was punched to the ground as her bag and her. Now when I went to help chase those scumbags away and help her I did not stop to think, whether she spoke mandarin and I did not hesitate to help her just because I am cantonese. I JUST HELPED

I've been spat on by white people many a time I've even been punched in a racist attack. Have you ever worked in a takeaway? ever know how many racist drunken thugs you have to deal with every day? These thugs get their encouragement and ideas from scum like the BNP.

THIS IS THE F****NG BNP WE'RE TALKIN ABOUT HOW CAN YOU EVEN F****NG COMPARE THAT BUNCH OF THUGS WITH AN ORGANIZATION LIKE DIM SUM WHICH PROVIDES A VOICE FOR YOU, AND OTHER CHINESE PEOPLE. A voice which let's face it we've never had prior to the advent of the internet. GROW UP!!!

THe BNP is NOT OVERRATED because their tactics aim as simple mindedness and stupid people who can't think deeper, it 's easy to be lazy in your thinking. THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOWING EVEN A GLIMPSE OF SUPPORT AND THEIR STUPID ARGUMENT FOR THEM IS JUST MINDLESS. THINK ABOUT THE THIRD REICH THINK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN NAZI GERMANY AND THINK ABOUT HOW PETTY YOUR COMMENTS SOUND IN THIS THREAD!! OPEN YOUR EYES GIRL!!

I think that you have the psychological problem. Just because you go out with a white man doesn't mean that you should expect to be bulletproof to racism - it's everywhere. YOU ARE AND YOUR BOYFRIEND ARE NOT HE CENTRE OF THE WORLD Chun Xueping EVERYONE FACES IT (RACISM). BUT YOU SHOULD REALIZE WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE!!! (ALL AGAINST RACISM!!!) GROW UP!!!

Phil C
chunxueping - Phil C - reply Posted 12:52 on 8 June 2008
I never seen such a lot of ignorant bile. A lot of the racist comments on the Speilberg thread were removed by admin following complaints from Chinese people.

I not defend any racist comments, the words you use are an extention of your own bigotry. Neither do I have a white boyfriend, again you take the view that because I am Chinese women in public with a white (for respectable business reasons) then I am either a race traitor or some kind of "Suzy Wong".

I think the differences between yourself and the BNP are very narrow.

Grow up? I am 39 year old from China, How old are you? Acned 13 year old who just learn to swear?
waiching liu - RE: Is Dim Sum Racist? Posted 22:14 on 15 February 2008
The BNP's ramblings are stupid as they are indeed racist. They are undoubtedly one of the worst organisations this nation has, spreading their filth and bile whenever and wherever they go. The fact that they have an electoral seat in parliament and are seen by many as the alternative to labour and the tories, is just a sad state opf affairs. as for saying that this site is racist, um sorry but if anyone here has read what was being posted on this site, it says that it welcomes people of all nationalities, races, faiths, ages etc. therefore you don't have to be chinese to come on this site. just as long as you are tolerant and treat people equally, it doesn't make a difference if you're black, white, asian, chinese, gay, straight, young, old.

the BNP are a danger to every person of every faith, race, gender, not to mention they are a bunch of homophobes too. btw, for them to say this site is racist is hypocritical in itself because they are neo-nazis and racists themselves.
Dee - re: Posted 3:00 on 16 February 2008
Chun Xueping wrote:
I think if BNP have taken sample of some forum postings Im not surprised we are disgraced in this way.

Do you really think that'll make any difference to what the BNP think about this website? They've also listed other websites which are nothing more than support and resources for the minority communities NOT websites that promote racist ideas or hatred towards others. It's true that there're a few posters in the forum whose posts have incited some sort of racist views, but I'm sure they are only a few individuals and doesn't represent the majority who participate nor their views are supported by Dimsum.
chun xueping Posted 13:13 on 16 February 2008
Im sure of that too but it only take couple of bad examples for ill-intentioned people to demonstrate a point.

Im not really concern about what BNP might say. They are vastly over-rated anyway. What does concern me is reasonable people put off this good site by behaviour of a few. I know that has happen.
Phil - GROW UP!! Posted 19:42 on 26 April 2008
Chun Xueping I saw no racist comments against whites I was going through the Spielberg in Darfur snub to China actually the first racist comment and the first person that was seeming to bring up the race card was you. You seem quite happy to defend or ignore white pro comments like

"I think they have psychological disorders that need addressing or quite simply, if people don't like the UK then why dont they f*ck off back to china."

You say:-

"I am interested in your observation about Cantonese verse Mandarin. I used to be Canto speaker when child but lost it with move in China and now can only claim to speak Mandarin proper. I was in Canton restaurant at CNY with white guy who travel lots in China and his Mando pretty good (for Caucasian, painfully slow and using fourth tone too much but OK) and he eat Chinese style very well, not just use chopsticks but the little things too that we notice, like not point with sticks, not rattle in bowl, keeping palm turned in. Problem was staff make fun of his Mando, of my speak, offer us knife and fork, waitress treat me like dirt for being with white man, food disgusting, Im sure being spat in. Then in come some white people and I hear gentle observation of restaurant must be good as Chinese people eat there (is common western joke and is not offensive). I feel like saying this is terrible restaurant and you should not honour with your presence but I not wanting to show up my friend or even Chinese people who show such disrespect."

I Phil (Who am Chinese Cantonese) SAY THIS:-

Bringing this kind of S**t up here in a discussion about the root of one of the evillest organziation in the world the BNP which have their roots in the NAZI policies DOES NOT HELP ANYONE.


A Chinese girl was walking down the street one day talking with a phone in her hand and she was rode by by a black and a white boy as they laughed off and shouting racist comments (c****y Sl*g - they said ). She was punched to the ground as her bag and her. Now when I went to help chase those scumbags away and help her I did not stop to think, whether she spoke mandarin and I did not hesitate to help her just because I am cantonese. I JUST HELPED

I've been spat on by white people many a time I've even been punched in a racist attack. Have you ever worked in a takeaway? ever know how many racist drunken thugs you have to deal with every day? These thugs get their encouragement and ideas from scum like the BNP.

THIS IS THE F****NG BNP WE'RE TALKIN ABOUT HOW CAN YOU EVEN F****NG COMPARE THAT BUNCH OF THUGS WITH AN ORGANIZATION LIKE DIM SUM WHICH PROVIDES A VOICE FOR YOU, AND OTHER CHINESE PEOPLE. A voice which let's face it we've never had prior to the advent of the internet. GROW UP!!!

THe BNP is NOT OVERRATED because their tactics aim as simple mindedness and stupid people who can't think deeper, it 's easy to be lazy in your thinking. THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOWING EVEN A GLIMPSE OF SUPPORT AND THEIR STUPID ARGUMENT FOR THEM IS JUST MINDLESS. THINK ABOUT THE THIRD REICH THINK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN NAZI GERMANY AND THINK ABOUT HOW PETTY YOUR COMMENTS SOUND IN THIS THREAD!! OPEN YOUR EYES GIRL!!

I think that you have the psychological problem. Just because you go out with a white man doesn't mean that you should expect to be bulletproof to racism - it's everywhere. YOU ARE AND YOUR BOYFRIEND ARE NOT HE CENTRE OF THE WORLD Chun Xueping EVERYONE FACES IT (RACISM). BUT YOU SHOULD REALIZE WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE!!! (ALL AGAINST RACISM!!!) GROW UP!!!

Phil C
LSF Posted 13:43 on 16 February 2008
Is dimsum.co.uk racist? No. Are Chinese restaurants who offer a separate Chinese language menus featuring different dishes to the English language one? Yes, without a doubt. Would be nice to see dimsum.co.uk do something about that, particularly given that some BBCs don't read Chinese.
Jeff Minter Posted 16:29 on 16 February 2008
Pot, meet kettle.
Ray Posted 17:11 on 16 February 2008
The difference between the BNP and other orgs such as DimSum is the BNP seeks exclusivity whereas everyone else seeks integration.
waiching liu - re: Posted 18:48 on 16 February 2008
Jeff Minter wrote:
Pot, meet kettle.


my point exactly
Otter - Chinese restaurants racist? Posted 0:24 on 17 February 2008
Sorry LSF, but Chinese restaurants are totally within their rights to have two different menus. I'm not Chinese but I can read Chinese, and I've never had problems ordering from the Chinese-language menu! Don't you think that maybe Chinese customers and non-Chinese customers have different tastes and needs, and that maybe that explains why there are two different menus?

As for the BNP... what a (sick) joke they are. How could anyone support such a bunch of half-wits?
wman - Menu's Posted 1:07 on 27 February 2008
LSF - i have often wondered why the "chinese" menu has no english, i too am a BBC and like many BBC's I dont read chinese but do eat chinese foods. Otter - yes people have different tastes but i think it would be nice to have an option to order something different, is that not what the UK is all about ? freedom of choice ? If you own a chinese restuarant can you please translate the chinese menu too.

With regard to the BNP, I think DIM SUM should not allow them to link to this site. DIm sum is not a politcal site and as expressed by some individuals we do not specify that only certain races can use this site. I wonder if the people who vote for the bnp ever orders a takeaway, if they deported all "foreigners" i wonder what they would eat !!! Wouldn't it be great if the front page of the national newspapers showed the leaders of the bnp in an indian/chinese/italian/kebab shop ?
pensggs Posted 10:10 on 17 February 2008
Divide and rule; a past colonialist management strategy.

Just because a few personnal rantings of victims of 'racial discrimination' in Dimsum; a inhuman organisation like 'BNP' is given any credence is pathetic.

To reach a conclusion or to even summarise that Dimsum can be viewed as 'racists' because of the contributions of the personal views and experiences of some Dimsum viewers, is even more infantile.

Most people hold a range of personal discriminations. To deny this is to lie to ourselves. A racist is one that give 'vent' to those personal discriminations to harm or disadvantage 'another person'. This is what organisations like the BNP is about.

It will be a sad day when a person or a human being cannot 'own' or 'express' their personal views of their own experience and even their discrimiations (sexual, racial or otherwise), without harming others.

If I do not like you, I have a right to tell you I do not like you. This is my human right. Because I do not like you, I went out of my way to kill you, this is a violation of your human right.

If I have 'hang-ups' about 'Chinese' going out with 'non-Chinese' this does not make me a 'racist'. This only mean that I have personal discrimination of a racial nature.

A vehicle for democratic debate like 'Dimsum' cannot be deemed as 'racist' because its media is open to all personal views without taking the right away from any reasonble individual.

Chinese restaurants in UK that only communicate in Chinese about special Chinese dishes in Chinese is not racist but have a 'short-sighted' and 'uneducated' view of the 'eating habit' of people who cannot read Chinese. They lose out reaching to Chinese customers like me. The same can be said of any ethnic restaurants, including British restaurants ( to tourists). A conclusion that this make the Chinese restaurants 'racists' is 'laughable'. This would make all restaurants 'racists'.

The BNP is an organisation with 'racist' agenda, which should be 'treated' with contempt by all human beings. Organisations like them, whatever their racial origin or nationalities should be treated like 'cancer'. They should be 'cut off' and 'zap' into oblivion.

So, let us 'sane', 'normal', 'reasonable' thinking people not use organisations like the 'BNP' to settle our own 'personal hang-ups'. The end.
Waiching Liu Posted 15:24 on 17 February 2008
As Ray points out the major difference between organisations such as the BNP and ones such as dim sum, is that one promotes and stirs up hatred and bigotry, whilst the other promotes, equality, tolerance and acceptance. The BNP is NOT- and I repeat NOT the latter
quietman Posted 0:38 on 18 February 2008
So the BNP offered "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".

I wonder if those nice people at the BNP will give me some money to visit Hong Kong, airline ticket/s and a stay in a comfortable hotel. I might even stay if I like it.

Now let me see how I can contact the BNP...
linda lau - BNP and Dimsum Posted 16:17 on 18 February 2008
organisations such as the BNP are the refuge of the ignorant and the weak. instead of pointing fingers at others, they should take a good look at themselves in the mirror and see beyond their rhetoric. we all cannot help but have some prejudices, whether valid or not, from personal experience, plain ignorance or convenient embrace of vitriolic to suit selfish objectives. what separates the rest of us from the bile of the BNP and their ilk is that we are conscious of not allowing personal issues to cause harm to others. we can agree to differ and observe others' right to have differing views but not to resort to violence, coercion and intimidation.
Jessica Posted 17:54 on 18 February 2008
Just as a note to Dimsum fans, Dimsum has been featured as the Real Histories Directory's 'website of the month' as a resource to schools, teachers and students about British Chinese and SEA culture. RHD’s mission is to support the teaching and learning of cultural diversity in the UK.

Dimsum does a wonderful job at both raising awareness about these often overlooked communities and inviting others to join in discussion. I’ve never found the site exclusive at all!

[url]http://www.realhistories.org.uk/index.php/website-of-the-month.html
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Ray Posted 19:37 on 18 February 2008
I won't be one to over simplify. The BNP do have a valid point as there are Chinese people (or indeed people from any ethnic group) who will be racist/xenophobic/discriminatory to other ethnic groups for no other reason than that they don't share the same heritage (cultural or genetic). This does not in any way apply to everyone within that group.

The same goes for DimSum.co.uk. Yes it focuses on 'Chinese issues' which might make it seem exclusive and also I note some of the contributions by members have been seen as racist but the BNP do what any other narrow-minded opinion would do - look for the worst rather than the whole thing in it's entirety. Even other members dismiss the racist comments posted by individuals.

As a final note - if they are so against racism I would raise the issue of British White racism against other ethnic groups. Are they are quick in criticising their policies?

These organisations listed by the BNP are set up because they help communities that have distinctive needs such as language barriers or need specific representation. The average White-British individual belong to the majority catered well by English-Language public services and have their welfare needs adequately met by the British government. They live within a country with a government that is essentially doing what these small organisations do for each minority group.

What exactly do the 'White British' community need to be represented by in its own country?!?
Matt Posted 21:27 on 23 February 2008
There is no limit to the deviousness of the dressed up racist thugs that are the BNP.

To attack a benevolent and good natured community site such as dimsum.co.uk is as low as it gets and shows how desperate they are to get support for their despicable cause.

The BNP exists to seek the suppression of ethnic minorities. They acquire support by stoking fear and ethnic tension where none exists. They have created their list for this purpose.

Dimsum.co.uk is great and does not need to justify its purpose or intention. It provides a forum for people to explore their cultural roots. There is nothing remotely wrong about it.

We must not let the far-right impinge in anyway how this site operates.

Keep it up!
Bevan Chuang - Good on you! Posted 22:42 on 28 February 2008
I'm a Chinese New Zealander living in New Zealand. We here in New Zealand desperately need something like Dim Sum to give us the opportunity to debate issues like this one raised.

This is a site that gives people of non Chinese descent to learn more about British Chinese, and Chinese in China. In addition, a site where people feel safe to debate issues such as this.

Healthy debates such as these are important to the community and personally. It is, through these discussions, that we acknoledge otehr people's view point, and perhaps, learn about each another thus allow us to acknowledge and appreciate who we are.

This also gives an opportunity for people who find people who are going through the same experience, to provide support to each another. This give us a sense of 'we are not alone'.

I believe Dim Sum is not racist, and a really brilliant site that facilitates healthy discussion.

Many Chinese in New Zealand know about your great job and would hope one day we will have the same site here in New Zealand!
darkgold Posted 1:35 on 29 February 2008
Why is it whenver a group of Asians are vocal about who they are they're considered a threat? I was raised in a mixed area, and there were South Asian groups and Black groups all supporting each other because they empathised each others cultural needs and the crap they had been put through. And they did gain some respect. But til this day when I as an Oriental woman walk down the streets in fashionable clothing or speak loudly, people just stare becase they wouldn't expect any of that from an Oriental woman and object to it whereas a girl of any other colour would just be accepted. Frankly I don't think us Far and South East Asians are doing enough-DimSum has provided some support to us, thankfully, but what about other easterners who don't identify as being Chinese? where do they go? Even tho I am Chinese blooded I will never be accepted in the Chinese community, or any community for that matter, I still look to DimSum and hopeflly other Far and South East Asians can set up a website like this one-we're not racist, we're just not afraid to talk abt race.
Lickyalips - The BNP Posted 14:50 on 29 February 2008
I've never read such drivel in my life.
The comments here are evidence that the writers are totally misinformed.
Please let me explain - I was directed to this site by a Chinese lady who is married to and has a child with an active member of the BNP. The BNP has no difficulties with that, indeed, her husband was selected as candidate in a local election. Hardly the actions of a 'racist' organisation, don’tchya think?

It beggars belief that this topic is up for discussion when on this very same forum, comments about Steven Spielberg being 'just a bloody Jew' are allowed to made.
Just as your communities and other minority communities have self-interest groups and sites like this to gravitate to and to celebrate their roots, it is not unreasonable for the British people to want to enjoy the same priveleges and to celebrate their traditions, history and culture. Isn't that what 'multiculturalism is all about - or does that ideology only apply to non-British cultures resident in this country.
Here's a brief list of self interest groups, some of which are even taxpayer funded:

1. Watford Asian Community care
2. Watford African Caribbean Association
3. National Black Police Association
4. Metropolitan Black Police Association
5. Black Londoners Forum
6. Black Information Link (BLINK)
7. Operation Black Vote
8. Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO)
9. Black Training Enterprise Group
10. Southwark Black Heritage Organisation
11. The Action Group for Irish Youth
12. Asians In Media (AIM)
13. Barfi Culture (Asians)
14. Black Britain
15. Black Enterprise
16. Black net Community
17. The Black Presence In Britain
18. Black Search
19. Black UK Online
20. Board Of Deputies of British Jews
21. Chinatown Online
22. Clickwalla (Asian)
23. Dimsum (Chinese)
24. Doncaster Chinese
25. CEMVO
26. Every Generation (Black)
27. Jewish.Co.UK
28. Jewish Telegraph
29. MMLondon (Asian)
30. Red Hot Curry (Asian)
31. National Association of Nigerian Communities - UK (NANC)
32. Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative
There is no space here to list the 400+ Moslem Associations of this and that.
Have you noticed how the media NEVER calls any of these organisations “racist” even though they are openly organised along ethnic lines and stand for the rights of their respective communities?
It seems as if every group has the right to have an organisation speaking up for its rights - EXCEPT the indigenous British people.
In reality, none of these organisations are “racist” — each and every community has the inalienable right to look after its own interests.
This includes the indigenous British folk, and the BNP is proud to be the party which stands up for the rights our folk and country, in exactly the same way that all of the above organisations stand up for their folk.
A cynic reading the comments on this thread might conclude that, ironically, the Chinese are racist.
Nevertheless – let’s kiss and make up and I’ll take you all out for a Chinkie – it is after all, one of my three most favourite cuisines. Perhaps you could give me a few tips and phrases so I can chat up a Chinese bird I fancy who walks her dog in the park where I take my dog.
Cheers.
quietman Posted 4:41 on 2 March 2008
I wonder if the term 'a Chinkie' which Lickyalips used to refer to Chinese food is racist. Is this a reflection on Lickyalips attitude towards Chinese people or just a harmless term/remark ?

I would much prefer if people say 'going for a Chinese'. Am I being oversensitive ?

I live in NW England and the term 'Chinkie' is not common language when referring to Chinese food. I once heard this term on Only Fools and Horses a long time ago, and was surprised that it was used in such a flippant way, as I view the word 'Chink' as offensive.
Chuckle - BNP Posted 12:26 on 2 March 2008
I am not an UK resident and do not know what BNP really stands for. If it was as mentioned in this forum that one of BNP's policies was the deportation of non-indigenous UK residents, it made me wonder how Lickyalips could possibly link it with multiculturalism. It is, for want of better description, an organisation of extreme racial homogenic-centricity. The fact that BNP has as claimed an elected member of parliament means a proportionately significant electorate gives it constituent relevance. I wonder if the Chinese and other ethnic communities shouldn't be politically organised to neutralise groups such as BNP electorally. You live in a democratic country, so learn to play their game. My despair is profound whenever I hear members of my Chinese community declare proudly their being non-political when what they really mean is non-partisan. The Chinese community in US had started a movement called 80/20. While I agree with their intention, I think their effectiveness is limited by their stated aim of directing effort at the ballot box solely. My advice to you is to join the major political parties there inorder to make a difference. Do not join it merely because you yourself want to become an elected MP. Join in because you want to be in a number to influence the choice of central delegates who in turns get to choose party leadership and endorsed electoral candidates. Even if you were too busy to play an active role ( frequent excuses), your name in the party register would be a denominator for the endorsement of a branch or central delegate. It matters not what racial background the delegate has, so long as his getting there relies on majority prefernces which include you and a significant number of Chinese membership. Your being amongst the majority will be sufficient to make him think twice before double crossing interest of the community.
qietman - peace2u Posted 19:06 on 3 March 2008
Lickyalips said,

"Please let me explain - I was directed to this site by a Chinese lady who is married to and has a child with an active member of the BNP. The BNP has no difficulties with that, indeed, her husband was selected as candidate in a local election. Hardly the actions of a 'racist' organisation, don’tchya think?"

Last time I heard The BNP were against mixed marriages, did I get this wrong.

I seem to recall the likes of Frank Bruno getting intimidation becaause of his marriage to a white lady.

What about BNP's repatriation policy ?
I hope the husband does not ask the wife to go back to China after a few months/years of marriage.
pensggs Posted 2:16 on 9 March 2008
good for you, quietman.

It is so easy for Lickyalips to take the'michael' in this issue.

Not every Chinese looking person is truly Chinese and British at the same time.

BNP might be 'white' but might not be 'British'.
Yin - BNP are the most ignorrant foo Posted 22:24 on 10 March 2008
LOL.
I laughed at the title. the most racist group in Britain deeming a website racist. They SERIOUSLY have a lot of time on their hands. Maybe the BNP should get a life, instead of blaming others and get off their council estate backsides. Oh wait, i remember, I did read an article in 'The independent' featuring the BNP party leader. what a petty man, as described here, is only concerned with petty issues. I mean, what a flawed argument, accusing others of racial discrimination whilst doing the same thing. what idiocy.

Oh. and Lickalips, DON'T YOU DARE use the term CHINKIE here. And, you just made yourself look the fool. It just shows that it is not dimsum that is the racist here, it's BNP supporters like yourself.

thank you.
Anonymous - re: The BNP Posted 21:18 on 16 March 2008
Lickyalips wrote:
I've never read such drivel in my life.
The comments here are evidence that the writers are totally misinformed.
Please let me explain - I was directed to this site by a Chinese lady who is married to and has a child with an active member of the BNP. The BNP has no difficulties with that, indeed, her husband was selected as candidate in a local election. Hardly the actions of a 'racist' organisation, don’tchya think?

It beggars belief that this topic is up for discussion when on this very same forum, comments about Steven Spielberg being 'just a bloody Jew' are allowed to made.
Just as your communities and other minority communities have self-interest groups and sites like this to gravitate to and to celebrate their roots, it is not unreasonable for the British people to want to enjoy the same priveleges and to celebrate their traditions, history and culture. Isn't that what 'multiculturalism is all about - or does that ideology only apply to non-British cultures resident in this country.
Here's a brief list of self interest groups, some of which are even taxpayer funded:

1. Watford Asian Community care
2. Watford African Caribbean Association
3. National Black Police Association
4. Metropolitan Black Police Association
5. Black Londoners Forum
6. Black Information Link (BLINK)
7. Operation Black Vote
8. Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO)
9. Black Training Enterprise Group
10. Southwark Black Heritage Organisation
11. The Action Group for Irish Youth
12. Asians In Media (AIM)
13. Barfi Culture (Asians)
14. Black Britain
15. Black Enterprise
16. Black net Community
17. The Black Presence In Britain
18. Black Search
19. Black UK Online
20. Board Of Deputies of British Jews
21. Chinatown Online
22. Clickwalla (Asian)
23. Dimsum (Chinese)
24. Doncaster Chinese
25. CEMVO
26. Every Generation (Black)
27. Jewish.Co.UK
28. Jewish Telegraph
29. MMLondon (Asian)
30. Red Hot Curry (Asian)
31. National Association of Nigerian Communities - UK (NANC)
32. Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative
There is no space here to list the 400+ Moslem Associations of this and that.
Have you noticed how the media NEVER calls any of these organisations “racist” even though they are openly organised along ethnic lines and stand for the rights of their respective communities?
It seems as if every group has the right to have an organisation speaking up for its rights - EXCEPT the indigenous British people.
In reality, none of these organisations are “racist” — each and every community has the inalienable right to look after its own interests.
This includes the indigenous British folk, and the BNP is proud to be the party which stands up for the rights our folk and country, in exactly the same way that all of the above organisations stand up for their folk.
A cynic reading the comments on this thread might conclude that, ironically, the Chinese are racist.
Nevertheless – let’s kiss and make up and I’ll take you all out for a Chinkie – it is after all, one of my three most favourite cuisines. Perhaps you could give me a few tips and phrases so I can chat up a Chinese bird I fancy who walks her dog in the park where I take my dog.
Cheers.


That's double standards considering the BNP spread hate words against jews.

Everyone knows that the BNP are full of false pretences. If they were that fantastic, why don't they have a larger proportioned seat in Parliament from decades ago?

So, I've seen your BNP website and its full of "arian" (meaning caucasian) race crap.
siu mai Posted 21:24 on 16 March 2008
Lickyalips wrote:
I've never read such drivel in my life.
The comments here are evidence that the writers are totally misinformed.
Please let me explain - I was directed to this site by a Chinese lady who is married to and has a child with an active member of the BNP. The BNP has no difficulties with that, indeed, her husband was selected as candidate in a local election. Hardly the actions of a 'racist' organisation, don’tchya think?

It beggars belief that this topic is up for discussion when on this very same forum, comments about Steven Spielberg being 'just a bloody Jew' are allowed to made.
Just as your communities and other minority communities have self-interest groups and sites like this to gravitate to and to celebrate their roots, it is not unreasonable for the British people to want to enjoy the same priveleges and to celebrate their traditions, history and culture. Isn't that what 'multiculturalism is all about - or does that ideology only apply to non-British cultures resident in this country.
Here's a brief list of self interest groups, some of which are even taxpayer funded:

1. Watford Asian Community care
2. Watford African Caribbean Association
3. National Black Police Association
4. Metropolitan Black Police Association
5. Black Londoners Forum
6. Black Information Link (BLINK)
7. Operation Black Vote
8. Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO)
9. Black Training Enterprise Group
10. Southwark Black Heritage Organisation
11. The Action Group for Irish Youth
12. Asians In Media (AIM)
13. Barfi Culture (Asians)
14. Black Britain
15. Black Enterprise
16. Black net Community
17. The Black Presence In Britain
18. Black Search
19. Black UK Online
20. Board Of Deputies of British Jews
21. Chinatown Online
22. Clickwalla (Asian)
23. Dimsum (Chinese)
24. Doncaster Chinese
25. CEMVO
26. Every Generation (Black)
27. Jewish.Co.UK
28. Jewish Telegraph
29. MMLondon (Asian)
30. Red Hot Curry (Asian)
31. National Association of Nigerian Communities - UK (NANC)
32. Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative
There is no space here to list the 400+ Moslem Associations of this and that.
Have you noticed how the media NEVER calls any of these organisations “racist” even though they are openly organised along ethnic lines and stand for the rights of their respective communities?
It seems as if every group has the right to have an organisation speaking up for its rights - EXCEPT the indigenous British people.
In reality, none of these organisations are “racist” — each and every community has the inalienable right to look after its own interests.
This includes the indigenous British folk, and the BNP is proud to be the party which stands up for the rights our folk and country, in exactly the same way that all of the above organisations stand up for their folk.
A cynic reading the comments on this thread might conclude that, ironically, the Chinese are racist.
Nevertheless – let’s kiss and make up and I’ll take you all out for a Chinkie – it is after all, one of my three most favourite cuisines. Perhaps you could give me a few tips and phrases so I can chat up a Chinese bird I fancy who walks her dog in the park where I take my dog.
Cheers.


That's double standards considering the BNP spread hate words against jews.

Everyone knows that the BNP are full of false pretences. If they were that fantastic, why don't they have a larger proportioned seat in Parliament from decades ago?

So, I've seen your BNP website and its full of "arian" (meaning caucasian) race crap.
Tommy - BNP are racist Posted 16:43 on 6 April 2008
I find it somewhat of an irony that the BNP accuse the Chinese community of being racist.
Phil - I'm really P*****d off Posted 19:35 on 26 April 2008
Chun Xueping I saw no racist comments against whites I was going through the Spielberg in Darfur snub to China actually the first racist comment and the first person that was seeming to bring up the race card was you. You seem quite happy to defend or ignore white pro comments like

"I think they have psychological disorders that need addressing or quite simply, if people don't like the UK then why dont they f*ck off back to china."

You say:-

"I am interested in your observation about Cantonese verse Mandarin. I used to be Canto speaker when child but lost it with move in China and now can only claim to speak Mandarin proper. I was in Canton restaurant at CNY with white guy who travel lots in China and his Mando pretty good (for Caucasian, painfully slow and using fourth tone too much but OK) and he eat Chinese style very well, not just use chopsticks but the little things too that we notice, like not point with sticks, not rattle in bowl, keeping palm turned in. Problem was staff make fun of his Mando, of my speak, offer us knife and fork, waitress treat me like dirt for being with white man, food disgusting, Im sure being spat in. Then in come some white people and I hear gentle observation of restaurant must be good as Chinese people eat there (is common western joke and is not offensive). I feel like saying this is terrible restaurant and you should not honour with your presence but I not wanting to show up my friend or even Chinese people who show such disrespect."

I Phil (Who am Chinese Cantonese) SAY THIS:-

Bringing this kind of S**t up here in a discussion about the root of one of the evillest organziation in the world the BNP which have their roots in the NAZI policies DOES NOT HELP ANYONE.


A Chinese girl was walking down the street one day talking with a phone in her hand and she was rode by by a black and a white boy as they laughed off and shouting racist comments (c****y Sl*g - they said ). She was punched to the ground as her bag and her. Now when I went to help chase those scumbags away and help her I did not stop to think, whether she spoke mandarin and I did not hesitate to help her just because I am cantonese. I JUST HELPED

I've been spat on by white people many a time I've even been punched in a racist attack. Have you ever worked in a takeaway? ever know how many racist drunken thugs you have to deal with every day? These thugs get their encouragement and ideas from scum like the BNP.

THIS IS THE F****NG BNP WE'RE TALKIN ABOUT HOW CAN YOU EVEN F****NG COMPARE THAT BUNCH OF THUGS WITH AN ORGANIZATION LIKE DIM SUM WHICH PROVIDES A VOICE FOR YOU, AND OTHER CHINESE PEOPLE. A voice which let's face it we've never had prior to the advent of the internet. GROW UP!!!

THe BNP is NOT OVERRATED because their tactics aim as simple mindedness and stupid people who can't think deeper, it 's easy to be lazy in your thinking. THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND YOU SHOWING EVEN A GLIMPSE OF SUPPORT AND THEIR STUPID ARGUMENT FOR THEM IS JUST MINDLESS. THINK ABOUT THE THIRD REICH THINK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN NAZI GERMANY AND THINK ABOUT HOW PETTY YOUR COMMENTS SOUND IN THIS THREAD!! OPEN YOUR EYES GIRL!!

I think that you have the psychological problem. Just because you go out with a white man doesn't mean that you should expect to be bulletproof to racism - it's everywhere. YOU ARE NOT HE CENTRE OF THE WORLD Chun Xueping EVERYONE FACES IT. BUT YOU SHOULD REALIZE WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE!!! (ALL AGAINST RACISM!!!) GROW UP!!!
chunxueping Posted 2:07 on 8 June 2008
Dont know who "Phil" is but he is one very sick person.

You need help.
forum idiots - it just shows that internet fo Posted 14:39 on 15 July 2008
Every internet forum is the same, its populated by mostly by idiots who are otherwise "trolling" or losers who use the forum daily and post hundreds of garbage comments a month. You should just delete your forums altogether not because they're not a good idea but because they always attract the above, it doesn't matter what website it is, even the BBC website forum is full of idiots. Its the same reason George Michael closed his website forum down because it became infested with idiots.
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