Democracy in Britain threatened?

chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

Im not interested in this nazi or his movie. I get the impression he is a self-serving bigot and I dont care what happens to him.

What does annoy me is being told that we cannot permit something because it against "the policy of the west" (whatever that might be). Such behaviour is merely an excuse for outright repression of any disenting view. That is how we got into an unnecessary war in the first place.

zombiehellmonkey · Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 195

I agree Edwina.

I wonder how the views would change in this forum if he had, instead, made a movie misrepresenting the Chinese?

Perhaps his next movie will be about the Chinese?

Whatever the case, it's important to be empathic towards those who the film would affect.

Racists don't deserve rights.
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chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

But what defines a racist? someone proposing a "Final Solution" or the grandmother who looks at you in a funny way?

Personally I could have coped but would have been angry and descend into ridiucle of the message.

Racists I can cope with. I find religion the most insidious thing. We can freely reject all kinds of political nonscene but we find ourselves nodding politely when we are told the most hideous evil in the name of religion. Why is this?

Edwina Lee · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK

Edwina Lee · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK

Edwina Lee · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK

chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

Oh come on. Since when was the the House of Lords - the pinnacle body of policy/law making of the UK?

The recent scandals involving expenses and bribes and "Abuse of Privilege" has shown the HoLs for what it really is...

That is the problem with UK. Literally everyone is a Lord, Lady, Sir, Baron or whatever for the most feeble example of self-serving sycophancy towards the currently elected party.

Edwina Lee · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK

(Censored) Embarassed

zombiehellmonkey · Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 195

chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

Very wise Edwina

But ZombieHM, I think he was invited by the HoLs so err... where does that leave the UK?

On the other hand I think worse people than him have addressed the UK Parliament and even stayed with the Queen.

zombiehellmonkey · Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 195

chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

Ah not to use bad language. Not deserve that.

I always remember feeling of pride when I learn during Queen Elizabeth's visit to China in 1986 that a humble interpreter refused to bow to her as Chinese people bow to no one. I was amazed to think that a Chinese woman have such courage. How far we have travelled.

Many years later I write to that interpreter and learn her story. She is very kind person and just say it seemed the right thing to do at the time.

I treasure her response to this day.

Edwina Lee · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK

Lois Hashimoto · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 25 Location: Laval, QC,Canada

I cannot disagree with anything you say, Edwina,You do the research, and your opinions are based on factual truths, not "feelings", and that's what makes your posts here so valuable.

I'm not British, and I am not familiar with the function and procedures of the House of Lords, and so I understand that I seem presumptous and ignorantly susceptible to propaganda in insisting that the main reason Wilder was "uninvited" was the threat of a very negative--even violent--reaction from the Islam extremists. That a country like Britain-- who took up arms against the Nazis long before America did--is afraid to show a ten minute film that can be seen on the internet by anyone who is interested, is what is chilling.

And at this point, let me address Zombiemomkey: almost 400,000 British soldiers died fighting the war against Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan, both notoriously racists --so that someone like you can today enjoy the freedom to call Britain a "racist" country, without any fear. You, my dear Zombie, have no idea of what the freedoms you take so much for granted cost.

Wilder's film is accused of being selective in its Koran quotation.Of course it is! They are the same selective quotations that the Jihadists use to promote their cause of world domination.

Listen to Wilder's words. Where do you find the racism, Xue-Ping? Is he promoting hatred against Muslims? If you believe Islam Jihadists represent all Muslims, then who, really, is the racist here? Of course you are not a racist,Xue-Ping --I know that-you are one of the most passionately just person I know- but do you not see how tolerating intolerance in the name of "racial harmony" can do? Ordinary, peace loving Muslims are most likely to be subject to Islamic injustice.

Wilder has watched helplessly as he has seen his once beautiful and tolernt freedom-loving country turn into a place quite different-- unrecognizable from what it was not so very long ago. It's now a place where you can be killed for publishing a cartoon that is offensive to some. Tolerance should work both ways, but more and more it doesn't.

Not long ago in Laval where I live, a young Muslim girl taking part in a soccer tournament was asked to remove her hajib because the soccer rules in this particular league does not permit any kind of head gear, for safety's sake. The referee who made the request was himself a Muslim. No matter. She refused, and all her teammates team quit the game to support her. This story of "Racism" became national news, and the ten-year old little girl became an instant heroine. When girls this young are so politcized, and the whole country applauds this little girl's "courage" in defending her religious freedom, it's time to start worrying.
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chunxueping · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 749 Location: Beijing, PRC

I not thought I had mentioned racism as I not see the film and I normally very careful to distingush between race and religion. After re-reading my posts I find one conditional reference:

"I dont agree that violence would have been the result of a private showing of a short film in the House of Lords, very few people would have seen it. It more likely the film is boring, bigoted and self-serving but there is no oportunity to explore and ridicule the racist message it might portray. The Dutchman is now a martyr and the State has shown itself to be foolish and repressive."

This was not intentional. My concern here is the subversion of religion into an extremist act.

We have had similar thing in UK to Canada. A childs understanding of her religion to wear a headscarf, a cross or a symbolic bracelet is distorted by adults into a heroic defence of their religion. You wonder who actually are the Children and the Adults.

Incidently, I am frequently called a racist, usually by Chinese people for not provide unconditional support of PRC policies.

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