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Adee
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 46
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Why do we have to turn an interesting topic into a grudge match?
The better description of what's happening is climate change because the earth isn't exactly warming up and apparently it has been cooling down to a certain extent in the past few years. Probably one of the reasons why we're not getting much sunshine in the UK during summer. However we are getting much more unusually severe weather and environmental changes just like the blizzard in China last year, flooding in some places, sea level rises etc.
But the thing is despite all the science research at the moment we still don't know the exact cause of climate change. One thing we are certain is that climate changes has been happening a long time probably even go back as far as when the dinosaurs were around, early humans are obviously incapable of producing much CO2 as now. Possibly we're just going through a natural cycle like it was before. The truth is more studies are needed to be sure what's going on with the climate.
Having said that humans do have parts to play when it comes to the environment. I think the government should invest more in renewable energy to replace non-renewable ones which will eventually run out. |
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Edwina Lee
Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Adee,
That Channel 4 programme about disclosing the myths of global warming was a very irresponsible work of disinformation. The key scientist who was portrayed in the programme to be doubting the hockey stick graph complained publicly that his view was completely misrepresented via the most prestigious scientific society The Royal Society - the UK's National Academy of Sciences.
The disinformation on the internet & in the media has been so serious that the Royal Society has devoted special sections on the website to refute those disinformation:-
http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=4761
The scientific investigations into global warming since the last IPCC report was published has now advanced into very very clear territory.
It is happening at a frigthening pace, and it is indeed caused by the accumulation of CO2 caused by burning fossil fuels & destruction of forests. Both of which are key carbon sinks of the planet.
When Arctic ice melts, it absorbs enormous amount of heat because to convert ice to water at 0 degrees requires latent heat. This was bound to cool the earth temporarily.
The myth that the sun's flutuation is the driver of the current climate change has also been clearly debunked, but the oil industry has large numbers of people trying to defraud people so that the extremely polluting exploration into Canadian tar sands and the Arctic can go ahead. As Obama said, even if America drill every inch there is to drill, it can only make 3% difference to world oil production, and that would take more than 10 years to achieve. It is fraud & madness driven by extreme greed. |
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pensggs
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 361
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: A good apple |
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Congratulations, Adee and Edwina, a good debate after all.
As a person with no personal interest in the greater idealism of the passionate devoutees, I only know that today, we all in the west live a very materially luxurious life, wasting valuable resources without any remorse or perception of our own decadence
In my line of business, I come across so much waste that my conscience twinges each and every time.
In my little corner of my world, I tried my best to minimise this wastage. It helps to soothe my conscience and it is better then doing nothing or projecting blame. It is so easy to abdicate our own responsibility.
If each and everyone of us is doing small things to limit the waste of limited resources, the little dripples becomes waves.
Global warming or not; it is important for our own karma, not to wantonly destroy the environment we live in.
I have just attended a seminar on 'limiting' wastage of resources relevant to my business. This is funded by the EU. I find this very helpful. I find our UK Chinese media very lacking in its ability to give coverage of these useful events. |
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zombiehellmonkey
Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 195
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: Re: A good apple |
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| pensggs wrote: |
In my line of business, I come across so much waste that my conscience twinges each and every time.
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Climate scientists might disagree, but I'm pretty sure that the Chinese restaurant business does not contribute to global warming.
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pensggs
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 361
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Cry baby cry |
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Another fist thumping the floor and feet kicking in the air.
Zombie, bury your head in the sand and the world will pass you by.
Being Chinese does not give you protection nor excuse from participating in caring for the environment we live in.
In fact, the Chinese business in UK, America, and the Far East, encourages most 'food waste' with the popular 'Eat All YOu Can or Like' buffets.
In UK, there are well over 10,000 Chinese catering businesses, the most populous cuisine type in UK. All catering businesses produce 'waste'. Being Chinese does not mean you can abdicate.
Now, Zombie, the living dead, I await your next attack. |
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zombiehellmonkey
Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 195
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Cry baby cry |
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| pensggs wrote: | In fact, the Chinese business in UK, America, and the Far East, encourages most 'food waste' with the popular 'Eat All YOu Can or Like' buffets.
In UK, there are well over 10,000 Chinese catering businesses, the most populous cuisine type in UK. All catering businesses produce 'waste'. Being Chinese does not mean you can abdicate.
Now, Zombie, the living dead, I await your next attack. |
To be honest, the intricacies of running a restaurant escape me, and I can see that your experience in this field, by far, exceeds mine; so I don't doubt your professional opinion, and agree with you in this respect about the dire consequences of 'all you can eat wastage'.
Perhaps, you should get all the Chinatown restauranteurs together to discuss the calamitous effects to the environment that they could be causing through their negligence. This is a matter of grave importance that should be dealt with utmost immediacy.
Good luck, and godspeed. _________________ Coming to Hong Kong? Join my expat group for fun and networking! http://www.meetup.com/expats-HK/ |
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pensggs
Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 361
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: Multi channel |
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The problem is out there, the solution is out there.
The vehicle is missing.
In UK, the EU monies are being accessed by training agencies and professionals without any knowledge of the ethnic catering businesses.
Like all public funded events, there are real winners, e.g. the training professionals, and real losers, the taxpayers.
The vehicle is missing so the message do not get to the destination.
Apathy is a very 'Chinese' trait. |
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Edwina Lee
Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1282 Location: High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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The Eat All You Want concept is a less wasteful way of providing for the customer than custom served dishes.
This is because in theory, customers only take as much as they can/want to eat on their plates.
Furthermore, more food is cooked in one go than custom made dishes, hence it is also much more efficient in energy use as well as labour. Less dishes are also required to serve the customers.
This is why such restaurants can provide so much better value than customery restaurants.
This also means that the waitress/waitor has more time to talk to customers. |
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