Chinese from CHINA

laz · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 2

Don't know about you guys, but I am starting to really hate those chinese folk that come over from China. I am a bbc and to me, it looks like there are becoming less and less of us. Only because the sudden influx of chinese folk from the Mainland.

I live in Edinburgh and all the bbc's i know, restaurant owners, takeaways etc all can't stand them. Why?

My brief encounter with them is that they are rude, arrogant and aggressive. Last night on the bus, I was sitting upstairs, and below deck sitting at the rear was a big 6 (translate that directly to chinese - its china man). And he started yelling at the top of his voice down his ph0ne. I couldn't believe it. He was shouting so lout that I, sitting upstairs could hear every word he spoke.

I am not very good at mandarin, but I can make out some words. Thats the second time I have sat on a bus with a big 6, and twice the same thing happpend, only the first time was a lady.

BBC's here in edinburgh know they are a bunch of cheaters, and will never deal with them. I dont know. Maybe I am wrong, but that is my impression with them.

Oh, another thing happened. One big 6 lady was actually standing in front a car parking space that was empty, reserving it for her b/f. Can you believe that? When I asked her to move, she told me to have some respect for myself.

Is it any wonder I can't stand them?

assis104s · Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 145

If those comments were made about BBC and HK chinese people by the white majority, how would you feel?

Wouldn't you have a problem with the racism?

laz · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 2

I don't think its about racism at all. After all, we all are chinese and originate from there. HOwever, what I am pointing out is that, from no fault of their own, they are brought up in a completely different society from ours. To integrate, they have to learn some manners and virtues.

Tell me, have you ever come to meet any people from there? What was your experience with them? All mine, and everyone I know, has had very unpleasant experiences with big 6 folk. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

Don't forget, this influx of Chinese folk from China happened not long ago. Suddenly floods of them come over, and if everyone you meet so far has been unpleasant, as the same with other bbcs i have talked to, from human nature, its hard to change that feeling.

snikto · Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 28

Would you say the same thing about an Afro-carribean, Indian or Caucasian talking loud on the ph0ne ?? I doubt it.

If they can all talk loud on the ph0ne then why can't Chinese ?? Or are we supposed to cower in the shadows afraid even to whisper in chinese.

I was standing at a bus stop one day, and this chinese girl on the ph0ne was walking by. She wasn't exactly shouting but you could tell she was talking in Chinese. That made me feel a bit happy because here was this chinese talking on the ph0ne in chinese and she didn't act or feel embarrassed about it.

Hasn't Dom Joly covered this - talking loud on the ph0ne??

Also, there seems to be this inequality. That others can something like talk loud on the ph0ne in your own language but chinese can't. And it extends to beyond just talking on phones.

assis104s · Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 145

Laz,
Haven't you ever been for Dimsum on a sunday - Cantonese people are so loud there as well!!! Many white friends have commented on the noise...it's the sound of families and friends getting together to enjoy a meal together.

I think you are just perpetuating the xenophobia that i'm sure the first Chinese people felt when they came over. Shame on you.

Guest · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 10:51 am Post subject:

I ignored this post the first time I read it as I wasn't sure if someone was taking the p*ss!

Well laz I'm glad at least that you've not jumped to any quick conclusions because you waited until you experienced the loud ph0ne call twice before you judged Chinese people to be rude, arrogant and aggressive! You've even taken care not to be sexist and pointed out that one was a man and one was a woman - how even-handed of you.

Personally, I can't thank you enough for pointing out that they are a bunch of cheaters - my wife speaks loudly on the ph0ne and from now on I'll be checking how much money is in my pockets every evening.

And if all that wasn't enough to condemn all Chinese visitors, then the 'parking space incident' should be enough to convince any remaining sceptics. (I was in two minds about capital punishment until now - but you've convinced me that it's time we brought it back for behaviour like this!).

By the way laz, I'm trying to be sarcastic - thought I'd better make it clear in case you don't understand.

I'm afraid you are being racist - whether you are Chinese or not, and it's a shame that you treat that so lightly and show so little understanding. How arrogant of you to think that your manners and virtues are superior - from what I've read, I don't think so.

GundamRX78 · Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 10 Location: London

First of all please be fair, sometimes when the English got drunk after party, they also shout loudly or laugh very noise on the transport, would you ever complaint about it.
I admitted when in old time, Chinese people used to speak very loud on ph0ne, that's because they came from the places (such like Hong Kong) where are very noisy and crowded with people, so they get used speak it loudly, and unfortunately our laugage is completely different from the English people , so even we are not that loud they still would feel annoyed. Actually many people in London also start to speak louder on the ph0ne, especailly when poor reception on their m0bile phones. Would you try to complaint about it? Please be fair!!

I think the laugage that you feel annoyed because you don't get used to it. Mandarin is the official Chinese language, so many people from China should speak Mandarin rather than Cantonese, and you should proud of it, because that's mean Chinese people are now get richer and richer and could have enough money to travel aboard, not just the Japanese (apart from the illegal immigrant). China has became backward for almost twenty years because of Chairman Mao and now start to strong and rich. You should proud of it unless you think you are British.

I came from Hong Kong and I get used to hate Chinese people speak English towards the Chinese people. Therefore, when I first stepped into this country. I felt very weird and annoyed that they speak English to me, but now I get used to it and feel that's normal.

I don't know how old are you, but I really think that you should go to touch with difference people to learn more.
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unity97 · Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 10

In response to laz, it is very likely because of the fact that you are a bbc born and raised in the UK that you have assimilated some of the rascist prejudices that some negative elements of British society have towards Chinese people (and others they perceive as being ‘foreigners’).

Similarly, after 150 years of living under British colonisation and exploitation, some Hong Kong Chinese have also picked up some of the rascist prejudices that many British expatriates held towards Chinese people (including towards the Hong Kong Chinese themselves), which the Hong Kong Chinese have in turn directed against their compatriots in mainland China.

Fortunately not all bbc's or Hong Kong or overseas Chinese allow themselves to be brainwashed into holding negative perceptions of their own people by the xenophobic attitudes, behaviour and misconceptions of others in the wider society around them.

sp · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 218

When BBCs of HKs show disdain towards certain mainland Chinese, I don't think it's a race issue at all, more of a class issue. What people are reacting to is not their 'Chineseness' but their lifestyle. Is this snobbery? Probably but it is not limitied to BBCs or HKers. I doubt even China itself is free from this type of class division, now that that country has such a large, affluent middle class. Do the rich businessmen in their new BMWs mingle freely with their peasant brethren, squatting in the street for a quick chat and a spit? I really doubt it.

Most BBCs or HKers, if introduced to a mainland Chinese professional or student do not react in the way being described. In the end, it all comes down to contrasting lifestyles. Lets not get carried away with theories of mass brainwashing by the evil colonials.
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unity97 · Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 10

sp,

What I was arguing was that some bbc's and Hong Kong and overseas Chinese may have become influenced by the xenophobic attitudes, behaviour and misconceptions of others in the wider society around them and then directed those negative attitudes towards their fellow Chinese from the mainland. Fortunately the large majority of Chinese, unlike laz, do not hold negative perceptions of their own people.

I do not agree with you that it is all, or even mostly, to do with class.

I would point out that I did not say that there had been any “mass” brainwashing going on, nor did I use the term “evil” to describe the (British) colonials - you did. If you assumed or inferred those things from what I said, then that was presumptious of you.

laz · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 2

BFC_Peter, your post is nonsensical. If you're going to reply, at least do it sensibly.

Btw peeps, I don't know how many of you has contact with other bbc's who own restaurants, takeaways here. I am talking about the generation that actually migrated over from HK.

Simply ask any of them if they will do business with a BIg 6, and let their response tell you how they feel about them. In fact, none of the bbc's here in Edinburgh has any dealings with them. I know a few restaurants who are selling up, but refuse to sell it to any big 6. Tell me why? Its nothing to do with racism as many of you suggest.
I am going on experience, whilst most of you just speak from what you think you know. I'll bet you haven't even come into contact with any big 6's.

I am not saying all of them are like that, nor have I any hatred against them. The reason why I bring it up, and no other race, is because they are my race. I have nothing against China, and I have quite a few big 6 friends, and I tell them everything about what I have stated here. They too agree that many who come over do things and do it to succeed. Even if it means cheating.

Why dont you question that? They come over, they want to succeed. Who can blame them for that? However, if they target you, then how would you feel about them? Don't tell me you still won't feel indifferent to big 6's over here. Look, big 6s are even being recruited to extort money from local businesses, because they have nothing to lose!

You lot seem like you're too goody two shoes that you accept everyone, and any form of cristism against our own race makes me strange. Lets see how much of your self righteous remains when you start having dealings with them. Until then, please don't talk like you can pass judgement just because I say things that actually happens.

souljah · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 4

WTF? i can't believe i just read that pile of garbage.

treating us mainlanders like dirty half-animals just coz we had to get a job and work our way up on them low wages for long hours. when some of us made good, now we're taking over.

paul · Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:

This is a bit of a shock to me. Perhaps i have had less experience of the chinese than i thought.
I have had dealings with mainland, HK and malaysia chinese and have only had two bad deals. The first with a HK guy and the second with a mainland. So far the malays have a 100% good record.
On a personal level only one has tried to rip me off - from Darlien, north china.
I have become aware of some quite nasty people from some areas of china but so far these have been no direct problem. Let you know if this changes when i start a new business in manchester's chinatown with a chinese girl (shanghai).
I am of the opinion that there are good and bad people in all races and that some have disadvantages due to upbringing, but i also understand that china has a large landmass with a massive range of people. Is is possible to say all these are bad ?
I think not.

paul · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:

Further to my last:
Just run a quick poll of HK and BBC around here. Most don't share the origional posters view, a couple do and one didn't care. A couple more were unsure.
So all in all I came to the conclusion that in this area there was no direct conflict between the two groups but also little interaction.

Over time I have noticed that all the major groups have little to do with each other. I wonder if this will become a problem in years to come. Each group seems to accept the others as chinese but at the same time take care in the way they deal with them.

Perhaps this is not too far away from other forms of ethnic tension. perhaps the bonds can be repaired (if they are broken in the first place).
It strikes me that all chinese come from the same roots. It's a very large tree, but still the same roots so keep it togeather guys.
We have plenty of problems in the world - Mr Bush seems to want to invade Iran now. Lets not have any more

porkscratchings · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 112 Location: BirmingHAM

Reading from dis thread mebbe 1 side of me should hate other coz 1 of my parent is from the South in wot is now HK and other is from the North in wot is now China. i'm at least half a Big 6 - a Small 3!

Will the folks reading this thread try not think all Cantonese chinese behave the same and hav a prob with mainlanders? The racism between the two groups go back a long way but most pple of both sides don't hav a problem with other groups. It's just sum idiotic minority stirring things up and making it bad for every1 else.

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