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GweiLo
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I am sorry, but you have lost me there Tay.
If you want to discuss the opium trade or Chinese talent I am more than happy to, albeit I don't claim any particular expertise.
My point in saying that it was a different debate is that it wasn't what this particular thread was about. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| GweiLo wrote: | I am sorry, but you have lost me there Tay.
If you want to discuss the opium trade or Chinese talent I am more than happy to, albeit I don't claim any particular expertise.
My point in saying that it was a different debate is that it wasn't what this particular thread was about. |
I was refering to this thread - www.dimsum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=172&start=15
I would much prefer to talk about emerging UK Chinese talent, because it is relevant and realistic. The Opium Trade debate or the Cybersex versus Real Sex experience is reserved for another day;-)
Contemporary Culture in modern day Britain is far more interesting than the politics of the past. There are many young UK Chinese who want to share their talent, just like anyone regardless of background or colour in any modern democracy.
This website for example does this very well, helps to channel talent into something positive, and not the opposite. The 'Asian Network' programme was produced for this very reason, to resolve some of the build-up of negative energy, high-unemployment rates amongst young Asians and racial tension. This programme has been very successful, especially in the area of music and film. |
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GweiLo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Tay,
I presume you are reffering to the BBC Asian Network? I took a peek at the website and stated aim of the network is
| Quote: | | The BBC Asian Network is a one-stop shop for UK Asian communities where they can get daily national news, top international stories, big consumer stories and music, ranging from the latest in British Asian sounds to old favourites. |
Yet looking through the site their was nothing of East Asian culture. No East Asian presenters. No East Asian programming. Etc. Do you not think the programme should address the broader Asian Community including the Chinese? If so how would you suggest people go about getting Chinese issues/talent on the agenda?
A search on the BBC site for "Chinese" seemed to suggest that the only regular Chinese programming was on the BBC World Service, otherwise the majority of the programmes appeared to be occasional stories on regional radio stations and for the most part linked to particular events such as Chinese New Year.
So its seems that the Beeb aren't providing much opportunity for Chinese talent specifically. I am sure they could do better with a bit of pressure, what do you think? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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GweiLo,
I was referring to the TV programme, but anyway I had a look at the website in more detail.
| Quote: | | I presume you are reffering to the BBC Asian Network? I took a peek at the website and stated aim of the network is. |
The content and schedule is more or less aimed at Asian culture; India & Pakistan, not very East Asian.
| Quote: | | Yet looking through the site their was nothing of East Asian culture. No East Asian presenters. No East Asian programming. Etc. |
It is healthy to include a broader Asian audience, and by the look of the whole BBC Asian Network website, there is more than enough room to include the Chinese.
| Quote: | | Do you not think the programme should address the broader Asian Community including the Chinese? |
This is the difficult part. If the UK Chinese community truly want this?, then they should be aware that no one is treated differently when it comes to real acting talent and performance. The entertainment industry can be very demanding, but rewarding at the same time.
The best method is to make proposals to the Beeb supported by funding companies, for example the English Arts Council.
Proposals could be from various groups of UK Chinese Writers, Actors, Film makers etc... Proposing possible ideas which would fit in with the BBC website and programming schedule, resolving some of the ‘invisible identity’ issue with the British-Chinese. No different to what Paul Courtney Huey and his team are doing with the ‘Sweet’n Sour’ TV series.
People need to get out there and show their stuff in what ever shape or form as long as it contributes to a positive cause, either make people laugh or cry etc...it is no good sitting in front of the TV set with a bag of chips, layered with tomatoe ketchup and a beer, moaning and groaning to why there are no Chinese faces on TV.
| Quote: | | If so how would you suggest people go about getting Chinese issues/talent on the agenda? |
I agree, it was either about China or Chinese New Year, and very little if not any information about contemporary British-Chinese life and culture.
| Quote: | | A search on the BBC site for "Chinese" seemed to suggest that the only regular Chinese programming was on the BBC World Service, otherwise the majority of the programmes appeared to be occasional stories on regional radio stations and for the most part linked to particular events such as Chinese New Year. |
The Beeb needs to include a whole new link, possible the ‘Chinese Network’ or the ‘East Asian Network’. This will require the help and support of the whole UK Chinese community, if we were to apply more pressure. But I hope people would do a thorougher and in-depth research first, this will high-light the cons and pros.
I would prefer people working together, than Lone Rangers rampaging off by themselves and getting shot by John Wayne, a bit counter-productive. I would prefer Lone Rangers coming back with a beautiful Marilyn Monroe, if they encounter Britney Spears tell her to give it up! (just joking).
| Quote: | | So its seems that the Beeb aren't providing much opportunity for Chinese talent specifically. I am sure they could do better with a bit of pressure, what do you think? |
One of the key issues is the approach, maybe the Beeb doesn't really know how to raise the profile of the British-Chinese? |
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hairy fingers
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[quote="Tay"]
(Chinese)people need to get out there and show their stuff
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If you're involved in the Arts/media then network and get your stuff together. If you're GOOD,I'll definitely support you(and hopefully the rest of the BBCs in the country too!). Anyone with a yellow face and a lot of time on a mic is a double edged sword. People on this forum talk about how we are like ghosts that don't seem to exist in UK society however I feel that that "mystery" is what makes me the BBC that I am. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you're involved in the Arts/media then network and get your stuff together. If you're GOOD,I'll definitely support you(and hopefully the rest of the BBCs in the country too!). Anyone with a yellow face and a lot of time on a mic is a double edged sword. People on this forum talk about how we are like ghosts that don't seem to exist in UK society however I feel that that "mystery" is what makes me the BBC that I am. |
hairy fingers,
Unfortunately I have very little to do with the Arts or the Media, though I am a Designer. I agree with you if there are good yellow talent, they should get their stuff together and show people what they got. |
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GweiLo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Of course talent is required. But there are always more talented people around than there are opportunities.
The BBC Asian Network effectively reserves places solely for South Asian presenters. As they are presenting South Asian programmes they don't have to compete with everyone, only other South Asians. Why are the BBC not giving Chinese people the same chance is my question.
In part it has to be because there is no provision for Chinese programming and I think the Asian Network should provide programming for all Asians. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The BBC Asian Network effectively reserves places solely for South Asian presenters. As they are presenting South Asian programmes they don't have to compete with everyone, only other South Asians. Why are the BBC not giving Chinese people the same chance is my question. |
Not sure of the reasons, maybe no one has approached the BBC with proposals to address this issue? |
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rdjkosmo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:47 am Post subject: Pan Asian UK |
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Hello my name is Jeet, and I'm just your typical Asian-American activist over here in sunny San Diego. I'm South Asian, more specifically Punjabi, and my family originally came from England. One observation that I have noticed whenever I visit England is the difference in terminology when it comes to using the word "Asian." Over here in the States the term has found its way in identifying those who are of East Asian decent: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Viets, etc. However, in England it's associated with South Asians: Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, and Sri Lankans. Since the United States Census Bureau takes our statistics and jumbles them up under the word Asian. The South and East Asian, as well as many Pacific Islander communities have been focussed on coalition building, essentially creating one large Asian Pacific American Fist.
I myself am the current chair of an Asian Pacific Islander non-profit organization. I feel that both South and East Asians share several aspects politically, geographically, culturally, economically, and socially that should be taken into account to help bridge these two communities.
What I'm curious about is the nature of the Asian (East and South) community over there in England? Has there been steps to build a coalition?
Also, I find the term oriental as a label for my East Asian counterparts very offensive. All of you are Asian. I just find it very interesting how some of your gripes of being excluded from the term Asian is the exact same ones that Indians are having from being excluded from the term here in the US.
www.sdsuapsa.org
Jeet |
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