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kapai
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 Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: Chinese Nationalist Alliance |
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Join CNA www.chinesenationalistalliance.org
| Quote: | The Chinese Nationalist Discussion Forum is an online gathering where Chinese Nationalists can meet and discuss issues relevant to Chinese politics, society, economics, or culture. Because this forum is conducted in English, it is primarily geared towards Ethnic Chinese living overseas. The purpose of the forum covers many areas including:
1) Promoting a sense of unity and pride amongst Chinese people all over the world.
2) Defending the Chinese people against defamation and anti-Sinoism in general.
3) Promoting understanding between Chinese and other peoples.
4) Discussing issues that concern the current state of affairs in China.
5) Discussing issues that concern the state of affairs of ethnic Chinese all over world.
6) Providing a resource for netizens interested in Chinese politics, society, economics or culture. |
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amyip
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have to say don't join them as their views are rather extremist and very far right. I've read through the website and frankly had to log out of it because some of the views expressed made me very angry indeed. |
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sp
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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If you ask me, anything with 'nationalist alliance' in the title is going to be, at best, a complete waste of time and space!
Look up some older posts by 'Red Guard' and 'Steve' on the bbc board and you'll find similar stuff. |
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kapai
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amyip
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Yes it is but that forum is currently down due to server difficulties but when it comes back up I wouldn't bother going over there to try and "recruit" because some of the other members of the CNA website have tried already and were not successful. In fact, I would say that you would probably meet with a hostile reaction as your views are far too extreme. |
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kapai
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| amyip wrote: |
Yes it is but that forum is currently down due to server difficulties but when it comes back up I wouldn't bother going over there to try and "recruit" because some of the other members of the CNA website have tried already and were not successful. In fact, I would say that you would probably meet with a hostile reaction as your views are far too extreme. |
I thought it was down. When is it coming back up? I've already been to there, I was called "taiaha". One mention of the word "nationalist" over at BBC and people start getting paranoid.
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amyip
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kapai wrote: | | amyip wrote: |
Yes it is but that forum is currently down due to server difficulties but when it comes back up I wouldn't bother going over there to try and "recruit" because some of the other members of the CNA website have tried already and were not successful. In fact, I would say that you would probably meet with a hostile reaction as your views are far too extreme. |
I thought it was down. When is it coming back up? I've already been to there, I was called "taiaha". One mention of the word "nationalist" over at BBC and people start getting paranoid. |
It wasn't the mention of the word "nationalist" that made people paranoid and hostile, it was the contents of the website that made people angry. The website contains extreme views which includes advocating the idea of purity of the blood by not mixing with non-Chinese, that homosexual people should do the world a favour and commit suicide, that we as BBCs have been brainwashed and therefore are not proper Chinese. You cannot write these kind of views and just expect people to agree and when they don't, accuse them of being "un-Nationalistic".
I am proud of being Chinese but I do not believe in the views on that website. |
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sp
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| kapai wrote: | | One mention of the word "nationalist" over at BBC and people start getting paranoid. |
Are you sure about that? The editor of the site Steve Lau, has in the past, often expressed highly nationalistic views on the site (he posts as 'Steve' and also as 'admin' if you want to search). If you consult directly with him you might find an ally for your cause. I also remember users called Red Guard and Watchdog who were also very pro-China. |
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kapai
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| amyip wrote: | It wasn't the mention of the word "nationalist" that made people paranoid and hostile, it was the contents of the website that made people angry. The website contains extreme views which includes advocating the idea of purity of the blood by not mixing with non-Chinese, that homosexual people should do the world a favour and commit suicide, that we as BBCs have been brainwashed and therefore are not proper Chinese. You cannot write these kind of views and just expect people to agree and when they don't, accuse them of being "un-Nationalistic".
I am proud of being Chinese but I do not believe in the views on that website. |
But our website does not hold any official views apart from what I posted above. The "extreme" views that you read were from certain individual members, one of who was banned.
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kapai
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| sp wrote: | | kapai wrote: | | One mention of the word "nationalist" over at BBC and people start getting paranoid. |
Are you sure about that? The editor of the site Steve Lau, has in the past, often expressed highly nationalistic views on the site (he posts as 'Steve' and also as 'admin' if you want to search). If you consult directly with him you might find an ally for your cause. I also remember users called Red Guard and Watchdog who were also very pro-China. |
I didn't see any of those people. There was only one person there with nationalistic views that I remember.
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GweiLo
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kapai,
That sites stated aims may be what you posted above, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes on the site to realise that the regular posters there do seem to have predominantly "nationalistic" political views. And by that I mean nationalistic in the National Socialist sense.
I presume it is a US based site with most of its members being US Chinese.
I spent some time living in the US and found there is a great deal of difference between the US and the UK in terms of racial politics. In the US the "racialisation" of politics stems from the treatment of African Americans and was born out of the black civil rights movement. Whilst born out of necessity it produced a confrontational style of political debate and I think has led to a seperatist mentality amongst races in that nation.
I was in the US on an exchange posting as a soldier and was appalled to see that in the mess hall blacks and whites sat at seperate tables out of choice and socialised seperately out of choice.
In the UK racial politics have developed in a different way and the challenge to racism in the 1960's was as much led by whites as any other race. A collaborative approach is the norm here. To contrast the example above, whilst serving in our army the colour of ones skin had no impact on who one ate with or socialised with.
I think essentially the best I can say about your site is that it has a very US political style. It isn't one that most British people, including British people of Chinese extraction, are likely to be comfortable with. It could be that I am being generous though, as many of the posts on that site seem to be homophobic too and it may be that the regulars there are just predominantly bigotted. |
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kapai
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:40 am Post subject: |
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There was a white person who used to post at our forum called Gwei Lo.
If you had taken a look around our forum you would see that the vast majority of the members there are nowhere near the National Socialist mindset. Only a minority are like that, and I mean 1 out of 100.
It is a US based site, but there are members from all over the world - US, China, Taiwan, Canada, NZ, Australia, Germany, Netherlands, Russia. We also have a lot of non-Chinese members including a Korean, Serbian, a couple of white Americans, Russian Jew etc.
Why would British Chinese be less comfortable about the political style than US Chinese? I am not American Chinese, but i don't feel uncomfortable about anything. Only a minority of members are homophobic: http://www.theasf.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1787
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amyip
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| kapai wrote: | | If you had taken a look around our forum you would see that the vast majority of the members there are nowhere near the National Socialist mindset. Only a minority are like that, and I mean 1 out of 100. |
Kapai, it is actually one of the moderators of your website that I find a bit frightening, I believe his name is Worldslegend? |
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kapai
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amyip
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| kapai wrote: | | What is so frightening about him? |
Quotations taken from that website by Worldslegend:
| Quote: | | It means China must spend its budgets improving China's economy/living condition/technologies/military.....etc, before we have any more money to waste on Africans. |
| Quote: | | I personally do not encourage inter marriage. because most parents do not like their children to date/marry someone that does not share a common background with them. Love requires understanding, and understanding is based on the same cultural/racial background. Only if you're from the same culture , can you really know how to understand and actually appreciate it. |
| Quote: | everyone is entitled to form opinions. but just to let you know, most korean girls are encouraged to waste a lot of money going through facial surguries.
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And there are loads more with this xenophobic slant. |
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