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 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:36 pm Post subject: The Oil & Water Forum |
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Taking part in any discussion forums, their needs to be an attitude, mentality, and mutual respect, which helps and contributes to a communities well-being. Aiming to achieve positive outcomes, not further heat up and perpetuate existing or create new situations, else what is the point of the Dimsum Discussion Forum!?
Hot Oil and Water is an explosive mix! If both liquids are cool and cold, the volatility is removed.
Generally I am concerned with some of the comments and issues, I feel too much emphasis is dependent upon emotions and anger. Often very personal, subjective, misinformed experiences, internalised and infrequently shared with people.
Have you not noticed how easily the steam catches a light in the Wok?...
Approach
Spontaneous and rash behaviours are clear examples of this, which all too often defines and blinds logic - common sense. Partly the cause is to do with, the long-overdue-alienation from the wider community, the out-of-date East Asian immigrant demeanour, and the divide between the Middle and Working Class. Lateral and eclectic combinations, spontaneously weaving in and out, clashing and opposing each another from all sides.
Communication amongst British Chinese families tend to stay, and reach within the Family Clan, too closed off. Rarely does issues raised reach out towards other families, who after all makeup this tiny community. It is important to work together, ignore and let go of the things which continue to hinder progress, and the history that helped conceived so many of todays obstacles.
‘We are no longer climbing mountains, we are now trying to swim.’
Cooking
Debate is significantly alike to cooking, depending on the dish (subject) you want to create. Taking into account the number of people you are cooking for and the occasion (context). Various key ingredients (issues) are prepared and added. Thoughts and comments should be prepared, cleaned, washed, peeled, and chopped.
Seasoning is the approach and respect towards the dish. The correct temperature set and cooking time should always be examined. If none of this is done, the dirt (tension) from the vegetables is still there, and the roots left as they are, too much salt and pepper (negative attitude) is added, and the temperature too high, burning the food, then it won’t taste too good. I feel most people will agree too.
Sometimes the ingredients has more or less passed its sell-by-dates (post-imperialist Britain, old China) Not as fresh, some rotting and basically not worth debating, because it won’t go anywhere. Those type of ingredients are best for marinating special types of food. Serving as a reminder to our morales, and not something to hold on too tightly, else there certainly will be no progress, and no movement or advances to the way we live out our daily lives.
Nutrients
Ribena diluted in mineral water, less concentrated, not too sweet, full of nutrients, perfect, suitable for all age groups, transcends race and cultures, drinkable...
Every Society, what ever the circumstances, needs a healthy and balanced diet (critical opinion), Protein, Carbohydrates, Vitamins, Calcium, and Amino Acids. Too much Fat can make a person obese and too little can make a person too thin.
Evidently Britain lacks a sufficient catalyst, to encourage positive attitudes towards a truly modern democratic multi-cultural society, at the same time hoping to retain it’s diversity, and not homogenised into some bland American entity, loosing all its finer qualities, forgetting its roots, having to relearn or walk again.
That catalyst consist of People, Government, Educational Institutions, and Law Enforcing Authorities. The ability to multi-task, hopefully much better than Microsoft’s Windows. Omnipresent, looking and taking into account all issues from multi-angles at a glance.
After all today’s Britain is a direct product of its previous activities. When ‘Immigration’ and ‘Identity’ is at the heart of the time, it is very important to put out the fire! |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Tay wrote: | Taking part in any discussion forums, their needs to be an attitude, mentality, and mutual respect, which helps and contributes to a communities well-being.
Generally I am concerned with some of the comments and issues, I feel too much emphasis is dependent upon emotions and anger. Often very personal, subjective, misinformed experiences, internalised and infrequently shared with people. |
I think these are just inherent drawbacks with internet messageboards. The anonymity of the internet means that people can talk c*** or just troll without having to face the consequences. These days if I see something objectionable, I won't take it seriously unless the author puts their real name or identity against their comments - there's no point otherwise. The best chat forum I belong to is a work-related one where most people use their real names. Not surprisingly there is no trolling and hardly any abuse.
Another problem is, I think people use the internet to compensate for what is lacking in their real lives. On an internet message board, this sometimes means the most dedicated users will be the people with the most lacking in the lives, the ones with the most 'issues'. People who feel really downtrodden and overlooked in real life might see a chance to get 'payback' by being arrogant or treading on others online. People who crave attention can go online and do or say things to get that attention. I've seen people exhibit some *really* weird behaviour on messageboards that makes me wonder what must be going on in their minds. 'King of the castle' syndrome is another side of this, when a user sees their presence on a website as integral to their self-esteem. It becomes virtual egotism. It's a shame but I think this will always happen when you have web forums. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: Common Sense |
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| Common sense and an adult mentality are the obvious answers. This discussion board possibly needs a 'moderator' who is fanatical and not too shy in helping to ‘steer’ key issues, relevant to the British-Chinese and East Asian Diaspora. |
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GweiLo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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SP has hit the nail on the head. It is the anonimity provided by bulletin boards that allows two things to occur that don't generally occur in everyday conversation.
Firstly there are few, if any, sanctions that can be applied when people behave badly. The worst that can happen is that an individual gets banned from posting, wheras is real life outrageous behaviour has more fundemental consequences such as critisism from ones peers.
Secondly discussions on websites tend to concentrate on some particular issue, and when an idividual expresses a view that is contrary to the majority that post view is often taken as being indicative of the individuals general views, motivatiions and personality.
I know SP. SP knows me. I am not Chinese and do not always support the majority Chinese view on matters. I can have a pefectly sensible discussion with SP, both face to face and online because 1) Neither SP or I are anonymous to each other. 2) We know each other well enough to recognise that whilst our opinions often differ greatly our motivations are good and decent.
The problem I have often found when expressing a dissenting view is that those who don't know who I am assume that as a white Englishman I am somehow Anti Chinese, Racist, or somehow predisposed to dissent. None of that is true, indeed quite the opposite, but you'll only know that if you know me.
Am I making sense here???
I hope so. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: Digital Foot-prints |
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GweiLo, generally I don’t disagree with your comments. sp is correct with the anonymity of bulletin boards, up to a certain extent.
Unfortunately, every time a user connects to a forum or a website, your digital foot-prints in other words can be traced. I presume most connections, go threw a computer server/service provider, where every single data stream is logged and recorded? Even every ph0ne call made from a m0bile ph0ne, can be traced to almost the exact spot, geographical location where it was made.
We can be as rude or as nice to anyone we like, without showing our faces or knowing our actual profile, in the digital age, but we can still be traced for sure. Which boils down to the very basic of human to human interaction - common sense.
To be honest I do not know what people look like or sound like in real life, in this forum, but I would naturally approach debates or issues with respect, hopefully contributing to a positive and productive debates, resolving and unravelling the British-Chinese Diaspora. |
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GweiLo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I would naturally approach debates or issues with respect, hopefully contributing to a positive and productive debates, resolving and unravelling the British-Chinese Diaspora. |
And I would applaud you for it. I aspire to doing the same, but would confess that I often fall short of the ideal. Ultimately I am a person with faults, feelings and on occasions a lack of that tolerance that I preach. I am imperfect.
Which is why I think my second point is as significant as the anonymity.
Unless you are particularly well acomplished with the written word, and I am not, what thoughts you try to convey online are never conveyed wholly, and are sometimes conveyed poorly. Throw into that the readers own faults, prejudices, etc and it is a recipe for misunderstanding and disagreement, one compounded by others being obtuse because you haven't written what they wanted to see.
By contrast most of us can quite easily convey our thoughts and feelings to others face to face, because much of our natural communication is visual. Body language, facial expressions, etc all help us to put words into context and better understand the message being conveyed. If you add to that the benefit of actually having a relationship with the person you are discussing something with you are able to put their message into a broader context and make much more sense of it.
I guess the internet is probably not the best place to have some discussions perse. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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No one is perfect, I am not, the Editor will know that;-)
| Quote: | | And I would applaud you for it. I aspire to doing the same, but would confess that I often fall short of the ideal. Ultimately I am a person with faults, feelings and on occasions a lack of that tolerance that I preach. I am imperfect. |
Point taken, yes the ‘Anonymity’ issue is significant.
| Quote: | | Which is why I think my second point is as significant as the anonymity. |
The general make-up of the UK Chinese, consist of many people who find it difficult to convey their thoughts and feelings in the English language, but if this forum had an extra option for Chinese text input, then there will be a sea-of-change.
| Quote: | | Unless you are particularly well acomplished with the written word, and I am not, what thoughts you try to convey online are never conveyed wholly, and are sometimes conveyed poorly. Throw into that the readers own faults, prejudices, etc and it is a recipe for misunderstanding and disagreement, one compounded by others being obtuse because you haven't written what they wanted to see. |
There is nothing better than face-to-face human interaction. Which do you prefer Cybersex or real sex? For me there is nothing better than the real thing.
| Quote: | | By contrast most of us can quite easily convey our thoughts and feelings to others face to face, because much of our natural communication is visual. Body language, facial expressions, etc all help us to put words into context and better understand the message being conveyed. If you add to that the benefit of actually having a relationship with the person you are discussing something with you are able to put their message into a broader context and make much more sense of it. |
We are in the digital age, it makes sense to discuss key issues relevant to a communities well-being, due to the geographical dispersed make-up. The UK Chinese are thinly spread out across Britain, often isolated and prone to being soft targets.
| Quote: | | I guess the internet is probably not the best place to have some discussions perse. |
Another thing with virtual discussion forums, people are having to learn and do something new in a completely different environment. Some people may find it easy to communicate this way, and others will find this alienating. |
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