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Goodedge
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 Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| chunxueping wrote: | | Sigh! I try to explain to colleagues today about this in "tea room." People want to know "why I killing Tibetans." I say "I never kill Tibetan, never been there, never met one, dont want to go there, its cold and horrible, no air to breathe. I know less than you about this problem." Good humour of course, no trouble, colleagues are nice to me. |
Typical, they dont see what is in front of their own noses...they're not killing Iraqis now are they...  ....thats the real crime! |
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chunxueping
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Goodedge wrote: | | chunxueping wrote: | | Sigh! I try to explain to colleagues today about this in "tea room." People want to know "why I killing Tibetans." I say "I never kill Tibetan, never been there, never met one, dont want to go there, its cold and horrible, no air to breathe. I know less than you about this problem." Good humour of course, no trouble, colleagues are nice to me. |
Typical, they dont see what is in front of their own noses...they're not killing Iraqis now are they... ....thats the real crime! |
You need to quote my next post as well to complete the context. Selective quoting is a disease on this site. My colleagues are fine and see both side of the story. I have no complaint against them.
The real crime is we all the same. We (Chinese) claim its OK to kill Tibetans because US, UK and about 20 other countries are in Iraq (with blessing of UN including China) and that is OK because Saddam kill his own people and Iranians even with Chemical weapons, that is Ok because Jews kill Arabs and that was OK because Germans kill Jews. Germans claim it was ok because they got beat by British, US and French who have Jewish leaders or so they claim...
Every self-pitying whinner claims his crime ok because someone done it somewhere before. Real difference with western countries is that we CAN express our objections in peaceful protest unlike many others.
Do you not think it is time to break cycle of violence or at least have the courage to accept blame oneself rather than hide behind precidents that could go back to time of Genghis Khan? |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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In my previous post, to put things into perspective, I said theres no difference in the treatment by the Chinese authorities towards Tibetans who show descent campared to the chinese who show descent, they kill chinese who show descent too, this is their way of zero torelance governing....You break the law you are punished, especially if its a revolt, it would happen in any country, remember the american revolution? people die becos its a revolt, it will happen in any country, its a lot more different to invading another sovereign country, hence why I said Iraq is the real crime becos thats exactly what they are have done invade a sovereign country, whereas Tibet is a civil disruption..
Self-pity whinner?? come on, are you starting the insults again??  |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes I didnt see your other post, my apologies to your friends, but I still stand by my opinion that Iraq is the real crime and not Tibet, altho I agree China's treatment towards any descent from 'anyone' are OTT, but thats how they govern, some parents slap and some dont.. |
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chunxueping
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Wasnt having a go at you but at self-pitying whinners like Hitler, Stalin and Saddam. All thought the world was against them.
Iraq was done with blessing of UN. Maybe the evidence should have been examined better but Sadddam deserved what he got. He was murdering his people in tens of thousands, I have no problem with him being stopped.
I missed the American Revolution, not old enough but did catch the end of the Chinese Revolution and not want to live that again. American Revolution was against Slavery and I think only example of nation tear itself apart to free another people.
There is no need for punishment against people of China. I know that People's government want to keep country together but now is not just Tibet but over half the country Qinghai, Sichuan, Gansu and XiJiang. I fear for future of country I love, cycle of violence must end as soon as possible. |
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joybetluck
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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"American Revolution was against Slavery and I think only example of nation tear itself apart to free another people."
I don't think so!
Try googling for the real reasons. I would not mind being reminded of it either since I have forgotten about it.
Ignorant is Bliss! |
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chunxueping
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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different terminology. I always told name for American Revolution was "American War of Independence". I thought you were talking about what is more commonly referred to as "American Civil War" which was about slavery as well as other things.
I am not ignorant person! |
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Jeff Minter
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| joybetluck wrote: | Hi Jeff
Which book have you got that is full of anti Chinese rhetoric? I doubt if it has been approved by the Dalai Lama.
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The Art of Happiness, co-authored by Dalai Lama and Howard Cutler. It's a small paperback, around 250 pages.
To summarise, it dissects the different elements to finding happiness in life, like "Finding meaning in pain and suffering" and "Bringing about Change". Every few pages he (or the coauthor) shoves in a sly remark about the Chinese - something about the invasion or being repressed within their own society.
While to a non-chinese reader it seems to illustrate his personal life experiences on the struggle for separation from China (the west would love that), in reality it comes across as a blatant platform to air their resentment of the chinese.
But like I said, it has good advice in it, and I've certainly improved my bullshit filter as a result. |
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Jeff Minter
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| chunxueping wrote: |
The real crime is we all the same.
Do you not think it is time to break cycle of violence or at least have the courage to accept blame oneself rather than hide behind precidents that could go back to time of Genghis Khan? |
Oh absolutely. But can humans really get along when it's in their nature to be hostile to anything "different" that threatens their way of life? We all get anxious when a stranger is close to our child, all these racial/religious/political tensions are an extension of that behaviour.
Humans work well together if they are all aiming for the same things e.g. trade unions. But not, you'll find, if it impairs their standard way of living that they are used to. We're seeing it now with global warming; why would a person switch to more expensive 'green' cars, fuel etc. if their bills are rising and they can't afford the stuff they are used to buying? Greedy, but that's human nature - we may envy what others own - but we are even more obsessed with keeping what we have.
Considering that we have wildly differing groups across the world COMPETING with each other (e.g. manufacturing allocated offshore is a primary reason used for resentment of the Far East, despite it bringing millions out of poverty), and with different agendas (the US wants to shove military bases and satellites all over the world, Russians want to exert their influence over Europe with oil) the chances of the human race collectively working together are nil. Maybe on purely scientific issues - ISS, gene research - but when politics are involved, tensions will undoubtedly rise.
And finally, history. Could explain why the Indians are so angsty about the Chinese in reader comments everywhere. And why the Chinese Government are determined to strengthen themselves - they've seen what happens to a weak country.
For most of us in the west, history is something that's done and dusted - but never to be forgotten. In the Middle east, Tibet, Central America, Africa - history is just the precursor to current day events. |
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chunxueping
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| I think its a man thing. Women are more cooperative except where it concerns children or shoes. |
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joybetluck
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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"Women are more cooperative except where it concerns children or shoes."
But woman hate turning up at a party in the same outfit and as for breeding they are always catty about access to their partners and children. |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| chunxueping wrote: |
Iraq was done with blessing of UN. Maybe the evidence should have been examined better but Sadddam deserved what he got. He was murdering his people in tens of thousands, I have no problem with him being stopped. |
Your facts are completely wrong the war on Iraq was an illegal war commited 'without the blessing of the UN'..That was the main reason why Jack Straw resigned (have you forgotten)
Whether or not saddam killed his own people was a civil matter, no one else has any jurisdiction in anybody else's internal affairs, especially when they're a sovereign country, Do you remember Waco?? Us kills their own people too, its not exclusive to any nation, revolts are dealt with differently by different states, and its nobodies business to medal with the affairs of another nation, the facts on saddam committing crimes were mostly fabricated at the very least exaggerated to a level of unacceptability by anyones standards to legitimise the course for action, it didn't work, it wasn't enough to get the support for an invasion so they had to fake 9/11 by doing so they killed 3000 of their own to win the publics support for the invasion of an arab country, the target of course was saddam...why? he didnt play ball..nothing more...
The west is not as fair as you perceive it to be, on the surface its seems fair but its only a perception of fairness and of choice but all that is diminishing that is apparent ever more, do you know how many countries the us has gone to war with since the Vietnam war? at least 7 countries!!!! , and they're all done for none other to further the us interest nothing to do with saving lives...
| Quote: | | I missed the American Revolution, not old enough but did catch the end of the Chinese Revolution and not want to live that again. American Revolution was against Slavery and I think only example of nation tear itself apart to free another people. |
The revolution was america's civil war, it was an up rising from the americans against british rule (nothing to do with slavery), only 4% of the population took a stance against the british rulers, the result was a blood bath...thousands of americans died but they won their independance.
| Quote: | | There is no need for punishment against people of China. I know that People's government want to keep country together but now is not just Tibet but over half the country Qinghai, Sichuan, Gansu and XiJiang. I fear for future of country I love, cycle of violence must end as soon as possible. |
I wouldnt be concerned with China it seems to be heading the right direction, everything the authorities have done so far might seem harsh but also seem to done in the interest of the nation, besides theres really not much of a difference compared to the west, all our rights here are diminishing all the time, its already a one party state but on the surface its not, not much better either in the US.. A fascist state is already there but we're none the wiser... |
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pensggs
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Tibet/China v. UK |
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To compare UK to a facist state or a communist state is not fair nor equal. The West carries out 'unfair' and 'unequitable' actions and have to account to their citizens. Their citizens can speak up against it This is not the case in China, and many, many countries in the world.
There is always an underworld where the 'government' operates. Democratic countries like USA and UK do carry out undemocratic and immoral actions; but they do so at a risk of being exposed. Of course, some truths will never be found or proven; and the establishments have ways of silencing the 'individual'.
China is an autocratic country which uses the paternaistic style of government. When a parent hit its errant children, these days the 'bystanders' and the 'enemies' uses these incidents are prove that China is the 'bad and evil parent'.
At this time of the holy days of Christianity, 'Let the one who is not a sinner, throw the first stone__________________' Amen |
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chunxueping
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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You are selectively quoting again. I made a later post identifying difference between American Revolution and American Civil War. They were two different things. My initial misunderstanding was I was taught them under different names.
As for faking 9/11 you are completely off your head.
I am not continuing to debate these matters with someone who is clearly completely paranoid. By all means continue with your ravings but it will be one way from now on.
You are on the wrong website, go back to Alex Jones. |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| chunxueping wrote: | You are selectively quoting again. I made a later post identifying difference between American Revolution and American Civil War. They were two different things. My initial misunderstanding was I was taught them under different names.
As for faking 9/11 you are completely off your head.
I am not continuing to debate these matters with someone who is clearly completely paranoid. By all means continue with your ravings but it will be one way from now on.
You are on the wrong website, go back to Alex Jones. |
You are definately insulting now!!
Paranoid? without proof is paraniod, with proof its fact, get your logics correct!
You are what you are what others have said you are a naive ignorant fool with a great big chip on your shoulder!!...
You're too naive, clueless and sensitive to have a debate with... |
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