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Edwina Lee
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T5unami,
China's handling of Tibet has been appauling:-
No government has ever supported Tibet Independence, and the stance of the Dalai Lama has long been autonomy.
With the installation of Tibet's excellent rail and road infrastructure, 2008 ought to be a year of celebration and great improvement in Tibet, yet, a huge riot happened instead.
This is the failure of the governor of Tibet in not tackling the societal conditions which led to this riot.
Remember the installation of the Mao Tse Tung statue in Tibet last year? Such insensitive action is just one of a pattern of absence of emotional intelligence in the way Tibet has been governed.
The longer this Olympic fiasco linger, the greater China's reputation suffers.
Soon, Taiwan will be lost, and if the gross mishandling of Tibet continues, the long term future of Mainland China will be also be affected.
It is time for the top leadership in China to realise that checkmate is not far away. Talking to the Dalai Lama and stop demonising him is the wisest choice, and in such an unfavourable situation to talk to the Dalai Lama, they also need to eat some humble pie.
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T5unamie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Edwina
Thanks for your reply -
China's handling of Tibet has been appalling - Can we expand this topic out.
"Installation of the Mao Tse Tung statue in Tibet last year" Is Identified as one of the things the Chinese occupational government has done.
Are there any other examples. Also, please understand that my knowledge of current Chinese politics and events are limited. I started my study of the Chinese culture starting the warring states era. I have not gotten as far as even the Cultural Revolution. I how ever got the side notes of a lot of the current events.
This is my current understanding of the situation – please expand on any points. Reference notes from places such as
http://www.freetibet.org/
http://www.index-china.com/index-english/Politics-s.html
If you have any, more official reference material. Please post them.
As far as I am aware China invaded and governs Tibet on the basis that China was re unified with Tibet during the Mongolian invasion. Tibet opposes this claim.
The stance I take is I don’t give a crap about nationalism or patriotism because most “Isms” bring a lot of crap with it. The bottom line I would like to know is the quality of life improved or decreased for the Tibetan people. Was the road’s and Railway installation funded by the Chinese government or by the taxes of the Tibetan people? Were they capable of performing these improvements without the aid or administration of China’s government?
Are there other reasons for Tibet’s occupation such as land or natural resources, or is this dispute simply about a religious dispute that goes back to when men chose a partner by hitting them on the head and taking them home.
A reasonable argument or proposal would be the reason roads and rail lines have been placed down by the Chinese government positions itself nicely to trade with the Middle East. Where the Chinese are businesses are investing heavily.
I would like to concern trait on the more likely possibilities for now. So Goodedge, I know of conspiracy theories, such as this is nothing more than a media feed event to fuel disapproval by western governments. However valid that is, I would like to start this debate on the most likely circumstances based on FACTS! |
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Edwina Lee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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The BBC has just published this page about the views of overseas Chinese's views about the Olympic Games.
Olympic protests: Chinese reaction (10-04-2008)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/7340987.stm
This is consistent with the views expressed on the Dimsum boards. |
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Edwina Lee
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T5unamie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for you information.
Do you have sources from officials that represent China which are displayed in English.
I might be asked to go on TV to represent the views of a "British Born Chinese" (BBC) |
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Edwina Lee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll give you a good answer later today. |
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T5unamie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone have any good sources on the Tibetan sterilization and cultural genocide topic? I have been informed of the statistics. However I see compromises in them as they are all provided by a biased source (Tibetan protester web sites and surveys performed by them) |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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T5unami,
There are enough evidence to support 9/11 was an inside job, visual and scientific (from independant experts) evidence have been put forward which at least would prove the towers were brought down by explosives...As far as it just being a theory, well when theories are not supported by anything they are just theories but if they're supported by evidence they cease to be just theories but become fact... |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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T5unami,
There are enough evidence to support 9/11 was an inside job, visual and scientific (from independant experts) evidence have been put forward which at least would prove the towers were brought down by explosives...As far as it just being a theory, well when theories are not supported by anything they are just theories but if they're supported by evidence they cease to be just theories but become fact... |
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Edwina Lee
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Goodedge,
What is your religion?
Is it to do with believing conspiracy theories are all true? |
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T5unamie
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| Goodedge wrote: | T5unami,
There are enough evidence to support 9/11 was an inside job, visual and scientific (from independant experts) evidence have been put forward which at least would prove the towers were brought down by explosives...As far as it just being a theory, well when theories are not supported by anything they are just theories but if they're supported by evidence they cease to be just theories but become fact... |
Goodedge, your facts concerning the way a building collapse provided by these experts. Can be questioned. The matter has not been resolved and there are several assumptions concerning the claims of these experts. Please also not the engineering community in the field are divided on the subject. I will read up on this later at a more appropriate date.
However I do agree with your conclusion concerning the 9/11 attacks were nothing more than an excuse for a war. I will leave this top to the discussion of Tibet. Open a thread on 9/11 and I will join you in a debate.
But here is the bottom line concerning the matter. I am not as well read on the 9/11 concpiracy claims and therefore can not give you a direct arguement at this time. Give me a week hehe  |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Edwina Lee wrote: | Goodedge,
What is your religion?
Is it to do with believing conspiracy theories are all true? |
Edwina, I only worship the god within me thats not to say I'm god but we're all part of god...
The answer to your question is 'no' I dont believe in just any conspiracy theories but only those claims which are supported by strong evidance that would have some sort of validity in a court of law. And not to mention common sense and logics plays a huge role in the deciphering between the hoaxes and the genuine claims....If it looks like a white elephant it probably is a white elephant.. |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| T5unamie wrote: | | Goodedge wrote: | T5unami,
There are enough evidence to support 9/11 was an inside job, visual and scientific (from independant experts) evidence have been put forward which at least would prove the towers were brought down by explosives...As far as it just being a theory, well when theories are not supported by anything they are just theories but if they're supported by evidence they cease to be just theories but become fact... |
Goodedge, your facts concerning the way a building collapse provided by these experts. Can be questioned. The matter has not been resolved and there are several assumptions concerning the claims of these experts. Please also not the engineering community in the field are divided on the subject. I will read up on this later at a more appropriate date.
However I do agree with your conclusion concerning the 9/11 attacks were nothing more than an excuse for a war. I will leave this top to the discussion of Tibet. Open a thread on 9/11 and I will join you in a debate.
But here is the bottom line concerning the matter. I am not as well read on the 9/11 concpiracy claims and therefore can not give you a direct arguement at this time. Give me a week hehe |
Youre welcome...  |
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Edwina Lee
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Goodedge & T5uname,
There is no point in preventing Tibet from being discussed and accuse the media of bias among ourselves. Stop playing this stupid conspiracy theory diversion that no sane person believes in.
We are in the west, and we need to play the game in the west.
Participate in discussion. Complain to the media and government if we are mis-represented. Be specific rather than be wishy-washy in our complaints. |
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Goodedge
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Edwina Lee wrote: | Goodedge & T5uname,
There is no point in preventing Tibet from being discussed and accuse the media of bias among ourselves. Stop playing this stupid conspiracy theory diversion that no sane person believes in.
We are in the west, and we need to play the game in the west.
Participate in discussion. Complain to the media and government if we are mis-represented. Be specific rather than be wishy-washy in our complaints. |
Stop being so closed minded and open up your mind to other possibilities other than what the government which controls the main stream media wants you to be conditioned, stop being so naive, do you know 36% of americans now believe 9/11 was an inside job, yes! 36% which doesn't even include those who are afraid of being accused of being unpatriotic! its not joke any more, the world its changing spiritually and the people who dont change with it will get left behind... |
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