9/11 - America deserved it

kapai · Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 44

1) Do you think China is reaping what it has sown? - Yes.
2) Given that the people who did this risked thier lives for what they believed in do you think they were heroic? - Yes.
3) Do you think those chinese workers who tried or managed to avoid the bullets were cowards? - No.
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unity97 · Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 10

Gweilo

1) All I would say is that I took exception to the manner in which you were using the tragedy of 10 June in your post which, I felt, was insensitive and not very tactful and did not express sympathy for the victims or for what occurred.

2) It is up to each individual person what posts they choose to respond to.

3) Some of your posts are condescending and repetitive. If you use a confrontational and badgering manner to try to extract a response to your questions, you may find that this may have the opposite effect.

GweiLo · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 149

Thank you kapai.

So you are a Chinese Nationalist who supports the enemies of China and the slaughter of innocent chinese by non chinese. That was what I was trying to establish. It doesn't sit comfortably with your statement on your CNA thread "Being nationalistic is putting your own country first."

I only have one more question. If you do not think that those workers trying or succeeding to avoid bullets were cowards why do you think that those trying to escape from buildings attacked on 9/11 were? What makes those US based victims cowards in your mind?

Unity,
1) You are of course perfectly entitled to take exception at anything I post. So you won't object if I do the same with other peoples posts or when I point out errors in other posts.

2) Indeed it is.

3) Some of my posts are intentionally condescending, repetitive, confrontational, badgering etc. Sometimes it has the desired effect, sometimes it does not. In this instance it has had the desired effect so far as I am concerned. If you read my posts on this board you will find they are rarely any of those things though. There are certain issues I feel a strong moral obligation to challenge, that I confess may be something to do with my own experiences of life. Mine is a multi racial family and has been for almost 60 years, so racism is a particular beef. I served in the Army for many years and have seen the results of terrorism on individuals on communities close up, and indeed on close personal friends. I will not, under any circumstances, sit by and tolerate racism or the support or encouragement of terrorism. I will undermine those that support either concept and I will do it by being condescending, repetitive, confrontational, badgering if I think it appropriate. The effect I am looking for is sometimes to persuade people of the error of thier ways, sometimes to ensure that that they are exposed for what they are. As I have told you before, I have been doing it for decades and I am pretty content that my approach succeeds from my perspective most of the time. In this particular case the question was asked by lyllee on 4th May and kapai has taken until now to answer it. He could have chosen to answer it a long time ago and I wouldn't have been inspired to badger.

Anyway, no need for any more badgering on this thread. Whether kapai answers my last question or not people will know what he respresents, and without me having to spell it out. He has done that himself. Lets hope we can discuss more positive things in future.

kapai · Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 44

GweiLo · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 149

kapai,

I never asked you to have a neutral view, just to explain your own view.

You have done that, albeit that you continually avoid answering awkward questions and contradict yourself all the time.

People will see you for what you are. That is sufficient for me.

Thanks for your help.

unity97 · Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 10

Gweilo,

I don't want to get involved in what appears to me to be a pointless squabble that is going on between you and Kapai.

What I would say is that having lived in the UK for most of my life I have experienced racism first hand on many occasions and my feelings about it run deep. Maybe it is because of this that all I can see is the irony of what you have said, and I do not make any apologies for being cynical.

Perhaps you and other gweilo should get your own society in order before you start self-righteously sermonising to others. That is all I have to say on this subject.

GweiLo · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 149

Unity,
I am not responsible for what others do simply because my skin colour is the same and if you are suggesting that I am then that is racism pure and simple. This is not the first time that you have focused on the irrelevant matter of my skin colour and attempted to suggest racism by proxy. Perhaps because of your experiences "white" and "racist" are synonyms, and I can forgive you that so long as you are open to new experiences and allowing them to bring about a change of persepctive. In which case you may find the following enlightening.

My house is well in order and is a black, white and chinese one. However, that does not make my family responsible for racism in those communities.

My history and circumstances are well known to regulars here, and particularly to those using this site who know me personally. I hope they will forgive me for boring them, but I think you deserve to be enlightened.

I, and other members of my family, have been the victims of serious racism including being physically assaulted on numerous occasions. In particular my younger brother and I were attacked almost daily throughout our schooldays, on at least one occasion requiring in excess of a week in hospital. Being part of a multi racial family was not popular in the 1950's - 1970's.

My grandmother took part in the Battle of Cable Street http://www.eastendtalking.org.uk/OurHistory/CableStreet/battle.asp in 1936. My mother was sacked from her job as a nurse in 1948 because her son was Black, and spent time in prison for assaulting a white racist during a demonstration in the 1970's. I am particularly proud of my mother and her long record of fighting bigotry and as ours is a matriarchal family we were all brought up with the same values.

My entire family have fought against racism in all of the communities we are part of including White, Black and Chinese. Racism is sadly all too common in all of them. You have my assurance that we will continue to do so. My recent heart attack precludes me from demo's and the like these days, but I shall do what I can.

The only thing I can suggest to deal with your cynicism is that you meet my family. My identity is not a secret so I am easy to contact. There is nothing in this post that I cannot prove to you to be true very easily.

In short if you abhor racism then I am your ally and so is my entire house. If you choose not to accept me as an ally in the fight against racism because of the colour of my skin, then that would indeed be an irony. Divide and rule is the racists main tool and it saddens me when it works on anyone. You can be like them or you can fight them, but you can't fight them by being like them.

And that is all I have to say on the subject.

kapai · Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 44

GweiLo · Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 149

I have four siblings and we do not all share the same skin colour.

I do not use GweiLo for "accuracy". I use it for much the same reason that my brother might use "N*****r. Like Hak Gwai it is an offensive term that some Chinese think is acceptable to use because they assume that non Chinese won't understand what it means.

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