LISA HUO Your views on Reality Tv's first chinese contestant

chopstickheaven · Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 3

I'm very surprised that nobody has started a thread on Lisa Huo from Big Brother. I mean where were you all last summer? Lisa is the first ever Chinese regular contestant on a Reality Tv show in Britain, there was another chinese girl in similar show on ITV but was rejected at the last minute. So what are your views on Lisa Huo?

My own views... is that Lisa Huo is a low life piece of gutter trash. She is the Jade Goody of the Chinese community in Britain. She smokes heavily which is highly frowned upon, although shes from mainland China, females from China consider smoking to be an act of modern social equality. Bizarre. Her smoking addiction will kill her, on the Friday Night Project, she made to smoke endlessly as a stunt, thats all shes famous for, smoking and swearing on Big Brother.

She said in her audition tape, that she was 'sexy,' I don't mean to be rude to any women from China, but most women in China do not wear make-up, and even by that yardstick, Lisa is extremely ugly. She is a terrible role model to any chinese women in this country, but then again, I don't think most Chinese women consider her to be 'Chinese.' If she thinks that being radical and breaking conventions is synonymous with being as western as possible, then she is deluded. A far more positive thing to do, since she has the power to do it, is to promote a british chinese identity, but the again, she hasn't got a clue.

I don't want to turn this into a Lisa Huo hate thread, but I can't think of anything positive to say about her.

tenpence · Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 174

to be honest,i think they need to choose people who are going to be quite controversial, anyone chinese included.

I did'nt see the show, but I did think it was good that a Chinese person was represented on the show. Although you may hate her, I think she helps to break down many of the those stereotypical views on Chinese women that media loves to portray.

whether she's “wild, crazy and sexy” is another matter all together!

Jeff Minter · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 342

chopstickheaven · Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 3

Can a light hearted entertainment thread about Lisa Huo descend into a personal attack against the user who started the thread? Yes, it has just happened. The last user decides to break all netiquette rules by completely ignoring the subject of the thread and start an ad hominem attack against the user who started the thread, and then start a rant making uneducated comments about chinese people only being connected by race, which is utterly stupid.

Such stupidity on his behalf as this website states quite clearly that it is to highlight and discuss 'british chinese' culture and identity. The statement that he hightlighted was referring to Lisa Huo's ‘chineseness,’ and whether british chinese women could identify with her, not that I doubt the user even knew who Lisa Huo was. The fact that he did not understand what I was refering to, suggests that he is caucasian. I find it laughable how a person who isn’t even British Chinese can use a website for british chinese people and start telling a british chinese person what their culture is or is not!! Even more laughable that this user uses expressions such as 'end of,' who does he model himself on? Saskia from Big Brother 6! Its given away his class status. If you look at his previous post on Big Brother, he starts attacking rich Chinese who work in the city, talk about having a chip on your shoulder, he’s obviously working class. Still, he has learnt to speak white trailer park trash.

But he is not the only one, another user on the previous Big Brother Shilpa thread for whom I will not name, also has a chip on his shoulder – he doesn’t like Asians, in many posts, he is simply posting to attack the Asian community.

And no doubt these internet forum rats will return to the site shortly with some retort because thats what internet forum rats do, they post endlessly and start ad hominems rather than following the thread. Hes probably online now waiting for a reply. Sad idiot. Feel free to post, I won't be returning to the forum to read it. Is it any wonder that so few people use this forum.

Penfold · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: London

Normally i don't like to respond to posts, but i have found your post so disturbing that i have felt the need to reply.

You start out by trying to portray yourself as the victim and that your original post was just light entertainment. I read your original post and even though i don't think i have much in common with Lisa Huo, i thought your post was a very personal attack on her. But this is your opinion and as such you can say what you want, but equally i think it is incredibly manipulative of you to call Jeff Minter's post as a personal attack on yourself. This is a discussion forum, and as such you should expect that people with different views should be able to post responses. And it is up to you to refute any arguments they've made. Not just insult them, and try to belittle them because they don't conform to your own.

Instead of just attacking the post from Jeff Minter why not take his post and understand where his coming from? And i think your comments about him being caucasian and implying he is stupid and that it was laughable that he should even be posting on a British Chinese website very disturbing and very offensive. Considering the recent publicity on Big Brother about racism and bullying i think you have displayed a perfect example of this. And as ashamed as you are about Lisa Huo, i am ashamed to think that there are people like you in the chinese community in the UK. Because your post has just made you appear as ignorant as you claim other people are.

BTW before you start slagging me off because i must be caucasian and therefore must hate asians, I am a British Chinese woman, i have lived here most of my life and am proud of DimSum for trying to create a online community where British Chinese issues can be discussed.

With regards to your original post about Lisa Huo, i personally didn't relate to her. But Big Brother does choose people who are going to be controversial and Lisa Huo did buck the trend of public perception about Chinese women being demure. She may not have displayed all the best qualities of British Chinese women but i applaud the fact that she was herself. Big Brother is an artificial scenario and you can't take it too seriously.

hiro · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 22 Location: London

I'm not sure who's the one attacking whom here!

Jeff made his point, which in my view was entirely relevant, although taking a different perspective, he did not approach the topic in the way that you have. It was a little blunt, but made in a straightforward way.

Having made your protest at being attacked, you go on to attack:

Jeff, calling him stupid, spiteful and uneducated.

Another forum user, whose identity you alude to.

Forum users in general, calling them rats and sad idiots.

Then finally, for good measure, this forum itself.

You complement those prejudices with the labelling of Jeff as caucasian and working class in a derogatory way.

You didn't want this to turn into a Lisa Huo hate thread. Don't worry, you've turned it into an I hate the world thread instead.

Jeff Minter · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 342

Light hearted entertainment thread... which is why you said "Lisa Huo is a low life piece of gutter trash".

I saw this recently: http://coffeeandink.livejournal.com/607897.html

nothing to do with racism here, but you certainly followed the first two to the bone.

- Don't link to your opponent's argument.
- Attack the person, not the argument.

Anyway, back to the topic:

From what I've gathered from the snips I've seen of her on the show, there wasn't a hint of pretentiousness from her. So to reiterate, what is this british chinese "identity"? There's hardly an outstanding british identity present (Royal family, foxhunting, tea and biscuits???), let alone our very own. Most of "british culture" is stuck in Victorian Britain.

ex-VAG · Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 445

Well done to chopstickhevean for making a complete arse of themselves without anyones help!

Anyway, from the brief clips I've seen of this Lisa Huo on BB, I have to agree that no she doesn't/didn't represent a majority of Chinese in the way she behaved but as it's TV and contestants are picked for viewing figures, you're always going to get the freaks. I'm not saying she's a freak but how many people do you think would watch BB if the housemates were made up of normal people, it'd be pretty boring right? Which was the way the celebrity one was going this time until it was stage managed.

Talking of British Chinese identity, any idea of what this may be anyone? Possibly we could continue this in it's own thread.....

Jeff Minter · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 342

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