Bankers r Us: Who do we blame for cuts to arts?

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Lucy Sheen — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:36:14 +0100

Thank you for having the courage to speak out. I hope that both yours and Daniel York's articles will inspire debate, a reassessment of our place within the arts community and how we can move forward to create an inclusive environment for all British-Chinese, British-Southeast Asians and East Asians - that we can become as dynamic and as recognisable as other ehtnic minorities in the UK and that our voice and contributions to society as a whole will be acknowledged and not sidelined Lucy Sheen actor/writer OFFIE 2010 nominee TMA nominee 1990/1

BBC — Sun, 01 May 2011 21:25:23 +0100

The future surely lies in private donations. Chinese companies, businesses, overseas Chinese around Europe - will contribute to an arts organisation that takes pride in our heritage, not pander to what the white/black British perceive in us. Let's face facts, we will never get the respect of the majority population when the white man has a hold on what we can produce - especially in arts

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Ted — Tue, 03 May 2011 02:48:53 +0100

Your post is a polite PC complaint to no one in particular about unfairness of it all - and will accomplish absolutely nothing. And it is symptomatic of why the UK Chinese community is sidelined due to ineffective leadership who lack the means of pressuring the decision makers. Be more direct and say what you mean: "UK GOVERNMENT ATTACKS CHINESE CULTURAL GROUPS; cuts all funding while giving millions to white, muslim and black ethnic groups". Now if the term "Chinese" was swapped with "Black" and showed up in The Times. That's more scary, eh? And a lot more effective. The second reason for failure is the lack of any significant British Chinese media pressure groups - you've got no one to help push your argument with the media. I donate to American Chinese pressure groups simply because the UK ones are absolutely useless at pushing Chinese interests in the UK. That's the fault of the UK Chinese community. Thirdly, I'm not aware of any British Chinese cultural/arts group, and neither has anyone asked for donations. That's actually the fault of people like you for trying to be too British and relying on the government instead of networking your own community. I would suggest you learn from the Jewish community and the American Chinese community instead of blaming the UK government for being unfair.

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Ted, can you contact me at www.bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com leave me a message in the comment box with your contact details on my blog. I think we have similar ideas to discuss.

BBC2 — Tue, 03 May 2011 19:16:48 +0100

But what about this site Dim Sum what's their role? I think the problemo is that the majority of the chinese community is NOT interested in the chinese community,only themselves and their own niche interests with does not give a toss about anyone else. When you try to reach out you are only meet with cynicism and exploitation in my experience. sometimes its better to remain invisible, give up, than adopt fanciful ideals of change. Wish I am wrong.

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Paul Courtenay Hyu — Tue, 03 May 2011 22:34:02 +0100

Ted, you make a number of points, all of which I agree with as it goes. I defend the bland, as you put it, "PC" tone of my article on my having learned from my involvement with Mu-Lan in the past that being direct and saying what you mean in a blunt way does not seem to help in 2011 GB. If it did have any effect, then my friend and colleague Daniel York would have his own theatre company by now (and I would be the 1st to have signed up as a supporter!). This is the 1st time I have ever been accused of not saying what I mean and shying away from controversy. Don't forget I am the man who created "the Missing Chink". This charge is a welcome new development in my artistic growth and I am happy to take on board the criticism. People have in fact told me many times that my direct, saying-it-as-I-mean-it approach may have been the reason Mu-Lan were cut in favour of Yellow Earth and their more politic "polite PC" method nearly a decade ago. I have pondered this and since there has never been an argument that the decision was made on artistic grounds, I conclude that this may indeed have been the reason. I feel a measured approach going forward may work better in the long run, though this is not to say I haven't said what I mean. I have also grown older and less frenetic over the past decade and slowing down is apparently what can happen when you get older! As for being restrained in manner, it is said that David Tse's talent was in being so cleverly measured in his public utterances - exactly in this "British PC" political manner you describe, and I have to concede this may well be true. I found it embarrassing, however, that as artistic director of Yellow Earth he was compromised by this stance and found he could only "say what he meant" when using a pseudonym, "Gladys Ong". This extreme is a step too far for a leader in our community - especially an artistic leader. I agree that there is a need for a British Chinese arts group / platform where East Asians can be bold enough to state their points, with the courage to use their own names (as opposed to the anonymous cowardice of Gladys Ong), which carries weight and is a powerful lobby group, ideally independently funded. No one has ever before accused me either that I lack passion about the subject! I may be growing into a politician after all! I refute that I am too "British" to ask direct questions of those I feel responsible. In point of fact, when I wrote the above article, I posted it to Barbara Matthews - Director of Theatre at Arts Council England - who replied within an hour with a stock paragraph, saying that she too was optimistic for our collective future. I replied immediately to ask her, and I quote verbatim [i]"in my email and article I argue that this "one company suits all" situation led to the company's standards falling, ACE being in a metaphorical hole of their own making and, ultimately, to the company being cut. I conclude by blaming ACE and the management Board of Yellow Earth for this situation, and I am interested in whether you refute this or exactly how much culpability in this you and ACE are willing to bear."[/i] Sadly she has yet to reply to this direct question, though I will give her the benefit of the recent Bank Holidays for her tardiness! Rest assured that I am happy to pressure these decision makers as you suggest. Next to answer this question will be the Board of Yellow Earth, incidentally. How much responsibility are they willing to bear for what happened? Where is their statement? Its quite incredible, the lack of leadership shown by them at this time. I am in the process of trying to establish a "significant British Chinese media" group with a selection of British Chinese artists that feel like you do. The working title is "Xin Tian Di" or XTD for short, which means, "new place" with connotations of a new start. This is intended to be an umbrella organisation for artists to produce new work and position themselves to "push our arguments to the media", which as you correctly say we lack as a sector. This umbrella will not be run by a single person, but it will give support to various projects, each working independently under their own artistic direction. Daniel York and I only last week performed a project under this banner, entitled "Bride or Groom?" and though modest, we are both very proud of it and wish to develop the concept further. We were addressing (using satire and irony) the topical point that there was a distinct lack of East Asian faces involved with the Royal Wedding. A controversial point (especially as it was performed on the day of the wedding itself) which has been picked up only fleetingly elsewhere and is evidence of a growing anti-establishmentarian boldness in the British Chinese performing arts world. If anyone would like to donate their time, money or talents to help the development of this idea, please get in touch.

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Daniel York — Wed, 04 May 2011 10:13:00 +0100

Ted, You make some excellent points about being more direct and less "PC" and I heartily concur. However I can't make out the gist of the rest of your argument. You seem to be blaming Paul for being too "British" and "relying on the government". Ted, we live in BRITAIN. We pay TAXES. Do you not have any opinion on where those taxes are spent? You advocate "networking" our own "community". Is that your idea of the "Chinese" way? A small, insular and marginalised community who keep to themselves whilst the government takes our taxes and spends it where it likes with no voice of opposition from [i]us?[/i] You also use the word "you" a lot in your post in an accusatory tone. What did standing outside the situation and criticising others for doing what, on the one hand, you urge (i.e. "speaking out") ever accomplish? It seems to me to be too often the "Chinese" way to grumble at others for grumbling. This is a fact. As long as I can remember black people [i]demanded[/i] a place in British society in confrontational ways. South Asians eventually followed suit. When will we?

Daniel York — Wed, 04 May 2011 11:22:46 +0100

BBCZeitgeist. I've left a lengthy reply in (in three parts) to your blog.

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tea and biscuit — Thu, 05 May 2011 21:22:06 +0100

First things first. With the current economic climate, it is becoming more difficult for any minority arts group to be receiving hand outs from any national or council backed programmes. The hands that formerly fed are currently squeezed. The truth is - the country is in constant struggle with unemployment, deficits, and all sorts. I'm afraid arts are a low priority - justifiably so? and as for ethnic minority arts..... So I agree that brit chinese arts organisations must think out of the box, enterprise, and look for other streams of funding. With so many Chinese national companies looking to expand their international ambitions, this may offer an opportunity for your arts organisation to build some genuine cultural and financially lucrative roads. I partially agree with Ted - The british chinese community do not have the loudest voice, and there is no clear or visible pressure groups to provide such a voice. But even if there is such a group, it is highly likely that there would be much difference. Stand back. Look at the country. Look at the current state of the economy. Look at the lines of people outside Job Centres. Can you say for sure that the underlying reason for your lack of external funding is discrimination or simply because there is actually a lack of funds? Paul, I really enjoy reading your article. But you jump too quickly into activist talk and too quick to pull out the race card. Your arts company is among countless other companies to have suffered recent cuts. Taking a further step back to look at the wider picture - with so much chinese movements in the world right now, shouldn't chinese culture/art groups be the richest in their category right now? No, I don't think this is the right platform to be discussing a chinese voice or ethno-activism. The heart of the matter is - your company is underfunded (the source of frustration) and you are looking for funding. Perhaps looking beyond the previous norm, and working with e.g. foreign banks, might be the best possible solution. Best wishes

tea and biscuit — Thu, 05 May 2011 21:25:39 +0100

First things first. With the current economic climate, it is becoming more difficult for any minority arts group to be receiving hand outs from any national or council backed programmes. The hands that formerly fed are currently squeezed. The truth is - the country is in constant struggle with unemployment, deficits, and all sorts. I'm afraid arts are a low priority - justifiably so? and as for ethnic minority arts..... So I agree that brit chinese arts organisations must think out of the box, enterprise, and look for other streams of funding. With so many Chinese national companies looking to expand their international ambitions, this may offer an opportunity for your arts organisation to build some genuine cultural and financially lucrative roads. I partially agree with Ted - The british chinese community do not have the loudest voice, and there is no clear or visible pressure groups to provide such a voice. But even if there is such a group, it is highly [b]unlikely[/b] that there would be much difference. Stand back. Look at the country. Look at the current state of the economy. Look at the lines of people outside Job Centres. Can you say for sure that the underlying reason for your lack of external funding is discrimination or simply because there is actually a lack of funds? Paul, I really enjoy reading your article. But you jump too quickly into activist talk and too quick to pull out the race card. Your arts company is among countless other companies to have suffered recent cuts. Taking a further step back to look at the wider picture - with so much chinese movements in the world right now, shouldn't chinese culture/art groups be the richest in their category right now? No, I don't think this is the right platform to be discussing a chinese voice or ethno-activism. The heart of the matter is - your company is underfunded (the source of frustration) and you are looking for funding. Perhaps looking beyond the previous norm, and working with e.g. foreign banks, might be the best possible solution. Best wishes

guest — Sat, 07 May 2011 15:36:40 +0100

> shouldn't chinese culture/art groups be the richest in their category right now? Yes. So the real question is whether these groups really do represent ethnic Chinese interests, whether BBC's or otherwise. Answer is likely "no", as they appear to be British groups consisting of ethnics who happen to be of east asian origin. > I don't think this is the right platform to be discussing a chinese voice or ethno-activism. Like it or not the arts represent soft-power in the geopolitical game. If these groups do not even pretend to represent the interests of the Chinese, whether overseas Chinese or BBC's or otherwise, then they are unlikely to get such funding. And when they find themselves exclusively reliant on the British, of all people, for funding, and when that funding is cut off and they find themselves with no friends, perhaps it is because they deserve it.

Daniel York — Sat, 07 May 2011 20:33:23 +0100

Guest, this is a curious comment you make above. When you talk of representing "ethnic Chinese interests" I wonder what you mean? The "ethnic Chinese" make up one sixth of the world's population. [i]No one[/i] can "represent" that. But we [i]can[/i] provide a platform for performers and writers of East Asian descent to create work that will speak to a wide range of people and that draws on [i]aspects[/i] of the East Asian experience. I find your last comment about being "exclusively reliant on the British, of all people" even more curious. Do you consider yourself a "foreigner" in this country? Why is that? If you live and work here this is [i]your[/i] tax money we're talking about. Are you telling me you're absolutely content that "British" tax money(which [i]you[/i] contribute to) doesn't go to East Asians at all? Let's be clear here. Yellow Earth deserved their funding cut. But why they were ever the sole "flagship" funded East Asian theatre company is anyone's guess.

tigger bensun — Wed, 11 May 2011 14:28:39 +0100

I like reading the article and comments reminds me of Simon Grays’ Smoking Diaries quartet which I sped read with great amusement, has many profound witty moments and a revealing portrait of Pinter. I am not a hardcore theatre person but I am a intermittent punter and would prefer a night out at the fringe than cinema, because nothing beats the intensity of the live performance or a script that leaves me altering my perception of things. Few points hopefully constructive rather than derisory. You can from a general level represent "ethnic Chinese" interests in terms of general valve-consensus, as one would do with vague terms like feminism, racism and indeed “ East Asian”. So on its depends on the lens you use whether a fisheye or microscope, reductive or detailed focus. Its more to do with setting parameters clearly before you start and being consistent, otherwise you end up in a mess where no one knows what your “Chinese” identity is including its author. Not for the first or last time. Good luck

Daniel York — Wed, 11 May 2011 23:20:37 +0100

Well said, Tigger. I think I agree with that.

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