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Sunday, 04 January 2009

In the English-speaking world, Britain arguably ranks disappointingly low in the public appreciation of its Chinese citizens when viewed in relation to their contribution to the country. Of all the major ethnic groups in the United Kingdom, Chinese Britons have the highest level of self-sufficiency, lowest crime rate and best educational attainment, yet they remain handicapped by grossly unfair treatment and unjustified 'credibility gap' none more acutely evident than in politics.

This is often sadly reflected in my conversations with Chinese and non-Chinese alike when the more profound aspects of welcoming the socio-political integration of Chinese Britons are discussed.

A recent function in the House of Commons hosted by Andrew Dismore MP for Hendon was held to celebrate the first anniversary of the BC Project, a most commendable undertaking by its founder Christine Lee to establish a political voice for the Chinese communities in the United Kingdom. Progress has been slow despite the sterling efforts of the BC Project Team.

When asked to speak about how the Chinese people can play their part in the political life of their community, all the speakers encouraged involvement by describing politics in simple terms to the lay audience – politics is about doing things in the interest of and for the community. In my case, caring as a doctor across all sections of society means that health and social needs has become the natural arena of my political interest. However, the difficulty for Chinese Britons who have aspirations in political advancement is progression through the ranks.

As we head towards the next General Election, the growing desire for political representation should awaken the Chinese in Britain to work together in raising their profile as equal members of the British society, entitled to the privileges of citizenship and a participation in its nationhood. Chinese communities have been in Britain since the 19th century, so it is understandable that their desire for political engagement is becoming prominent.

Of course, Chinese Britons are not entirely without supporters and well-wishers. This vibrant website operated by Sarah Yeh is a fine example while new entrants seeking Chinese readership such as UK Chinese Times and EU Chinese Journal have joined established newspapers Sing Tao in discussing the political future of the Chinese communities. Chinese Channel Television and Spectrum Radio are also active in stimulating political discussion amongst the Chinese.

Chinese Britons are also benefiting indirectly but no less significantly through the various diplomatic missions of the Chinese Embassy such as cultural exchanges, trade missions and attendance as guests and observers at party political conferences. The Confucius Institute, a worldwide establishment which also has branches in Britain, is a major player in the promotion of understanding of Chinese culture in general, and the Confucian philosophy in particular as it underpins the ethical conduct of the Chinese people. It is actively working in collaboration with British partners such as Specialist Schools and Academies Trust, as well as independently.

Endorsements by business luminaries such as Sir Terry Leahy, Chief Executive of Tesco, whose message last October in Liverpool urging schools to provide students with the opportunity to gain a basic understanding of Mandarin and Chinese culture to help UK business compete in the global economy will ultimately resonate with British politicians and add to the profile of Chinese Britons. Sir Terry’s prediction – that the growth of the Chinese economy and the emerging links between the United Kingdom and China would lead businesses to increasingly demand employees with these skills – is particularly poignant in the international and bilateral contexts given the total absence of ethnic Chinese MPs in Westminster.

Further afield, the nomination by President-Elect Barack Obama of Steven Chu, co-winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize in Physics and Director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, to be the Secretary of Energy for the United States of America is a tremendous fillip for the Chinese in Britain.

There are already a number of Chinese councillors and last year, Anna Lo was elected a MLA to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Although there is still much work to be done to overcome the political apathy amongst Chinese voters in Britain, it is leaders of the main political parties who have the most powerful opportunity to fulfil their promises of diversity and inclusiveness with the appointment of worthy candidates from amongst the Chinese community to winnable and safe seats. We must vigorously lobby them.

As Cllr Thomas Chan of Redbridge says, even if the political attractiveness and intellectual flair of meritorious Chinese candidates are ignored, by proportional representation alone there should be a total of five MPs of Chinese origin in the next Parliament. There has never been one and we still have none.

So, no more excuses please!

Dr Teck Khong

 
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Squinty Posted 22:55 on 4 January 2009
"In the English-speaking world, Britain arguably ranks disappointingly low in the public appreciation of its Chinese citizens when viewed in relation to their contribution to the country."

and yet BBC ladies don't seem to mind or care by promoting the following slogan.

" you may kill my father,brother, oppress my people, insult my culture, but me still love you long time". go BBC ladies. hell for that matter go ABC

are your eyes really that Squinty you can't see the injustice towards your people.
pensggs - Political represenatation Posted 0:26 on 5 January 2009
It is the UK election system that keeps the well intergrated Chinese from political represenatation. There is no proportional representation.

However hope is eternal, therefore, I join you in this new year wish.
maggie Posted 23:17 on 3 September 2009
Yes, so do i, I am fully loyal to england, i love this country, but i would like to proportional representation, it would be good to see a oriental person with an english accent on the tv... those of us born here, speak perfect english but from the strangers i encounter they think i am a tourist.... i am as english as the next person..shock horror
Anonymous Posted 2:08 on 5 January 2009
You might be interested in this link -
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1104745/A-cup-tea-rice-wine-secures-Chinese-bride-dashing-Tory.html

- and I would be following future developments from this event from a socio-political perspective.
Kate - Why? Posted 16:38 on 5 January 2009
Why does the comments section always turn into a venting session for disappointed, frustrated BBC men? Can you not channel your energy into something positive instead of levelling your resentment at those who are just living their lives as they wish? It's sad, very sad.

Thanks for the article Teck, with continued effort and a confidence in what we have to bring we'll achieve the goal.
Kev Yu - Kates why reply Posted 23:16 on 8 January 2009
Agree with you there, thats the problem rooted in many bbc's, we all have that power to dream and to full fill those dreams plus this new generation can really bring a voice into present society, good luck to you all
Alice - Political representation Posted 23:36 on 5 January 2009
NiHao Kate, Nice to see your comment too. It anger me much that any article always ends up with Chinese Man condem Chinese Woman for marry out. Yet Chinese men are praised if they get a white girl. We are always attacked as race traitor for follow our hearts, yet it is always a womans fate to leave her family whoever she marry.

I am hope to for more Chinese representation in politics in UK. Maybe even Chinese Woman MP!
Adee Posted 0:07 on 6 January 2009
Squinty is the same person who've posted similar messages in other sections but under different usernames.
Alice - Political representation Posted 0:55 on 6 January 2009
I thought so. He is a bit of a "one trick pony."
quietman - Proportional representaion Posted 20:24 on 6 January 2009
The Lib Dems believe in proportional representation. Has Teck joined the wrong party ? :)
pensggs - An observation Posted 0:53 on 7 January 2009
Political representation by ethnic Chinese will only become possible when the populous becomes colour blind.

Teck has not joined the wrong party. The right party to join is the winning party. Teck's problem is for those white politicians to do what they say, support a fair and representative government. Air expelled from the mouth with the right words are easy; Teck's brief should be to master support from his fellow political colleagues for a 'safe seat'.

Good luck. Apologise, like many, I am sitting on the fence.
pensggs - A squirt is always squirty Posted 1:04 on 7 January 2009
Come girls, a man with a water pistol is as harmful or as useful as a man 'watering the environment' with his urine.

The same 'pesonal inadequacy' as exhibited by 'flashers'.

To all those male BBC that exhibit this inadequacy, get some counselling. It might help you to accept that 'you are the problem'. Projection of your problem onto others is one of the symptom of being mentally ill.

Accept responsibility than you might become successful and fulfilled.

Happy New Year.
Matthew Nash - MPs Posted 14:04 on 7 January 2009
Disappointing to see racist bashing towards Chinese women marrying white men.

The UK is not an apartheid system and people are free to marry who they like.

And FWIW, far far far more white women marry nonwhite men than anything else.

Back to the point, there are quite a few South Asian and black MPs now. Could the reason for the lack of Chinese ones be more to do with Chinese people's own aspirations? How many have tried to get involved in politics? How many want to?
Alice - Political Representation Posted 21:41 on 7 January 2009
I think the difference is in our natures. Chinese people tend to be family orientated and co-operative in nature. This is not the way the adversarial nature of politics works in this country. I often compare this to how democracy works in China. It is a one-party State but 80 Million people are members of The Party (about one in twenty of population). In the UK it is probably more like one in sixty. Everyone has their own reasons for joining The Party as in any democracy but in China the difference is that once a member you become actively involved in a decision making process that passes recommendations up to the Leadership. I sometimes argue that there are probably more people involved in the democratic process in China than any other country. In the UK democracy mean less than 40% of the people vote once every five year.
Anonymous Posted 2:17 on 8 January 2009
Hello Alice,

You are right in your assessment of the difference in approach to politics between one party states and multi-party democracies.

However, we are in Britain and we have to play according to the prevailing conditions but, as Pensggs says, the Whites are in control and if they are sincere, they must demonstrate their commitment to diversity by appointing meritorious Chinese candidates to winnable or safe seats. There are numerous examples of fast-tracked White candidates who, together with a few similarly favoured Blacks and Asians, are now MPs.

Although my Confucian ethos blends well enough with Conservative principles, the core values belong to the one-nation approach as I find partisan behaviour rather wasteful of energy and talent.

While I work hard at seeking selection and ultimately election, I would be very happy if other Chinese candidates regardless of party alignment succeed ahead of me. Indeed, I am already encouraged by a fresh sense of cohesion amongst Chinese communities in Britain and their determination to be taken seriously.

Teck
Alice - Democracy Posted 22:59 on 8 January 2009
Interesting that you did not complain about my claim about "the democratic process in China", that normally upsets people.

While Im please to see Chinese people involved in UK politics my main interest is in the development of the under-represented majority in the Uk - Women
quietman - re: MPs Posted 21:04 on 9 January 2009
Matthew Nash wrote:
Disappointing to see racist bashing towards Chinese women marrying white men.

The UK is not an apartheid system and people are free to marry who they like.

And FWIW, far far far more white women marry nonwhite men than anything else.

Back to the point, there are quite a few South Asian and black MPs now. Could the reason for the lack of Chinese ones be more to do with Chinese people's own aspirations? How many have tried to get involved in politics? How many want to?


I'm not sure whether there has been 'racist bashing towards Chinese women marrying white men' in this thread.

The person posting the link to the story about the Tory MP marrying a Chinese lady did not express any negative views to it.
Alice - Chinese women Posted 14:02 on 10 January 2009
The reference would be towards the first posting in this thread from "Squinty" who makes habit of his hate towards Chinese women.

I thought link to Tory MP marry Chinese Lady very heart-warming. He show respect to her family and tradition. I wish them much happiness.
Teck Khong - Link Posted 3:10 on 11 January 2009
Hello everyone,

I forgot to type in my name before sending off the link on the blossoming romance between Lucia and Jeremy.

It might be a sign of my mid-life, but I find this announcement so heartening - it's wonderful to see happiness especially in cross-cultural relationships and it is absolutely churlish to vilify such courageous expression of love.

As Jeremy is a friend of David Cameron and a rising politician, I hope the future positive developments from this relationship would lead to more respect and a more hospitable disposition towards the Chinese people in the UK.
pensggs - Influencing liaison Posted 11:26 on 11 January 2009
There is a Chinese connection in the Blair family. Did it do the Chinese any good or raise the profile of Chinese in London?

Teck, inter cultural relationships when successful and fulfilling can remove prejudice and discrimination. However all those 'for passport' and 'mail order brides' marriages do not do us any favours, especially Chinese professional women, in getting credibility in our work place. We face a tougher battle in all our chosen careers.

I hope this marriage is an equal marriage besides being a loving one. It is an equal inter cultural marriage that will remove prejudice and discrimination not all such marriages.
maggie Posted 23:18 on 3 September 2009
yes, i have heard that, tony's brother, but it is not talked of much, and ian duncan smith has some japanese in him too
Teck Khong Posted 12:44 on 11 January 2009
Pensggs,

I fully agree with you and understand your sentiment perfectly; besides, I know the issues from first hand experience!

It is of course a hope that prejudice is reduced if not eradicated, as I doubt such an utopian ideal can ever be achieved.

The news of Prince Harry prompted my cousin in Australia to write to me earlier this morning, describing the feelings of English immigrants about race relations in Britain. Specifically, Chinese Britons were thought to be less subject to racial abuses and discrimination but even if that was true, subtle forms of racism are present.
Sophie Chandler - Channel 4 reverse migration pr Posted 18:38 on 12 January 2009
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We are now working on an exciting new prime time series for Channel 4 that follows the trend of 'Reverse Migration'. We are interested in 2nd or 3rd generation British Chinese families who are considering making a life changing move to China in search of a better life.

The series will follow four families as they road test a new life, in the country where their parents or grandparents are from. The family will re-locate to that country for a few months, with a view to stay on permanently and explore how their lives may improve. They will look at jobs and accommodation to see whether they think they could make it work. Alternatively, it could be people that are already committed to going, perhaps relocating with their job and are planning to move permanently.

We are very interested in talking to people in this situation.

I look forward to hearing from you. Please dont hesitate to call me on 01273 224816 or email on sophie.chandler@ricochet.co.uk

Kind regards

Sophie Chandler
Jeff Minter Posted 4:01 on 13 January 2009
You only have to look at Malaysia to see how ethnic Chinese are treated as a minority, ANYWHERE, across the planet.

Like here (or pretty much anywhere, for that matter) they are self sufficient, economically successful, productive - majority never liked that, so in 2 decades their economic "reform" made several laws to discriminate blatantly against the Chinese... no chinese owned business could employ less that 60% Malays, no ethnic Chinese were ever considered indigenous, etc.

See Solomon Islands for a more recent and extreme example - thousands of Chinese displaced, women raped... their crime? Why, for making something of themselves!

It seems our "host" country are fine with us being clever and ambitious, as long as we don't actually achieve those ambitions - or keep it within "our" community.

There is no effort to introduce members of our race into the mainstream (politics, TV, music) in a serious way. By serious, I mean a persona without a catch - no, we don't want the former Teletubby, the funny bumbling fool, the gay "stylist" - we just want people who are perfectly ordinary, without the damn stereotypes.

Until we get those in the public eye, in sufficient numbers, we as a subset of Britain have not even started our way to integration.
Jeff Minter Posted 4:26 on 13 January 2009
@Sophie

Sounds very much like what the BNP put forward in their repatriation plans for minorities.

If the series is a success, will you (or the BNP) advertise it too minorities? "Hey you gullible nonwhites, your "motherland" is much better than dingy Britain! Here's a one way, first class plane ticket, courtesy of us! We'll have your house and car of course - much cheaper in China!!!11"
Jeff Minter Posted 4:31 on 13 January 2009
Oh yes, that Tory marriage; I give it 3 years, tops. 1 or 2 kids, then he'll have an affair for a while before leaving the poor girl for good. She'll be heartbroken, torn, and more importantly, burdened for life with being a single mother in foreign lands.

He'll be free to have a few more kids with whoever he wants, such is their way.
Teck Khong Posted 5:04 on 13 January 2009
Jeff,

You made some good points.

Allow me to present two questions that underline the two key strategic solutions to our impasse.

Would you think that non-Chinese Britons, the majority being White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, would believe in a Chinese as a leader and a parliamentary representative of their constituency?

Do you think Adam Afriyie (a black businessman who sat the parliamentary assessment board exam at the same time as me) would have been anointed a candidate and gone on to become the MP for Windsor (an archetypal White seat right under the turrets of Her Majesty’s Castle) without some special support?

Given their small numbers and dispersal, I believe that in order for Chinese Britons to make social progress - and political presence is essential - they must unite and lobby for the inclusion of worthy Chinese candidates in winnable seats.

By worthy candidates I mean those whose intellectual qualities are a match for the indigenous population and who are capable of a persuasive diplomacy that is also focused and resolute.

With diversity in focus, Sayeeda Warsi enobled and as the Fabian Society debates on the 17th January 2009 that "Fairness Doesn't Happen by Chance", we must take our political future seriously.
Kate - Hmm Posted 11:47 on 13 January 2009
I don't know about anyone else but I think Jeff Minter needs an industrial sized road digger to get rid of the chips on his shoulders!
quietman - re: Posted 7:49 on 20 January 2009
Jeff Minter wrote:
Oh yes, that Tory marriage; I give it 3 years, tops. 1 or 2 kids, then he'll have an affair for a while before leaving the poor girl for good. She'll be heartbroken, torn, and more importantly, burdened for life with being a single mother in foreign lands.

He'll be free to have a few more kids with whoever he wants, such is their way.


That is such a sweeping generalisation to suggest against a white person.
Chit Chong - Chinese need to get active to Posted 2:01 on 24 January 2009
Oh Dear! How sad! On the week that the first black President is elected we still get Jeff and Penn whinging on about how the rest of the population want us to “keep it within our community” or that “political representation by ethnic Chinese will only become possible when the populous becomes colour blind”.

Did Obama use skin whitening cream? Hell no! He stayed true to his colour. He even kept his name – Hussein, in a country that kicks Arab comedians and princesses off their planes.

It is wrong to use our marginalisation in other countries as paradigm for this country. This is especially so when it is inaccurate as in the case of Malaysia. Whilst it is true that the Chinese are marginalized there. Malaysia is more important as an example of what the Chinese have to loose by not succeeding in the political arena. At independence the Chinese were the second largest ethnic group, yet a history of poor and often corrupt Chinese politicians saw the country become increasingly discriminatory.

This is not so in this country. Unlike Malaysia, here we do not have any problems going to university nor do we have major problems joining the civil service.
This whinging about discrimination and racism is almost as bad as racism itself. It enables British Chinese to panders to a victim culture so that our self-imposed political impotence can be absolved.

I believe that the real reason that we are not represented is because we are not sufficiently active in the community and in both small p and large P politics. My 25 years in community and environmental politics shows me that whilst activism by Chinese is increasing it is still woefully low compared to other ethnic minorities. We cannot just say we are x% of the population and there should be 5Chinese MPs. We must demonstrate to the rest of the population that we are leaders in the causes, concerns and issues that are important to them.

So if you want the next crop of environmental leaders to be Chinese, go to Climate Camp, demonstrate at Heathrow and of course join the Green Party!

And if your children want to do so, give them your support rather than trying to force them to be doctors or lawyers.

Chit Chong

PS Please lay off that racist inter-marriage stuff
pensggs - political representation Posted 12:01 on 25 January 2009
Congratulations chit chong, for the world to change, you need 'idealists' and 'change agents'. However, there is a price to pay by change agents.

I should know. That is a role I am famaliar with.

Being a change agent is sometimes detrimental to yourself, family and career. These sacrifices had to be factored before one embark on such a course of action.

It is always easy to expatiate about what is right to do; taking the necessary actions requires courage, passion and self sacrifice; virtues not plentiful in most.

There are traditional ways, Teck's way. There are methods like 'screaming and shouting' and 'lobbying' e.g. Greenpeace. There are a mixtures of the two, e.g. The Green Party; but not every Chinese wants to be 'green'. There are also each of us contributing what we can within our own arena of influence; by changing perceptions, assumptions, prejudice and discrimination.

To say that one's way is the only way, is very short-sighted and naive.

Happy New Year.
NZBC - New Zealand Example Posted 6:52 on 26 January 2009
We have a National Party member Pansy Wong; Labour Party Member Raymond Huo; also Korean MP Melissa Lee. All list members, but never the less represent us all.
Teck Posted 10:29 on 26 January 2009
Wishing everyone a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!
Hot Chinese Chips - British Chinese in British Pol Posted 10:32 on 26 January 2009
How can you expect more Chinese to represent in British politics, when the majority of British Chinese aren't even interested?

Ask most Chinese if they can list five British prime-ministers and they would already get stuck, even more don't even know what the Magna Carta is, and the Warsaw Pact is an even more alien term.

If there's a part of politics that most Chinese will make an effort to understand is environmental politics - I haven't figured out why that is exactly, maybe somebody could enlighten me?

Thanks, and happy CNY!
Teck Posted 12:19 on 26 January 2009
Society is a continuum of its constituent elements, and the Chinese community in Britain is no different being characterised by its rich diversity due to its different roots.

We have Chinese who are born in the UK, some of several generations. Then we have the older folks who arrived from other lands, settling here with experiences of the interactions between their own culture and that of the host and readjusting yet to this (and perhaps) their final destination. In between are those like me who arrived here in their teenage years and maturing in what is now home, yet with strong memories of the land of infant nurture.

Political engagement with the Chinese community is therefore not a homogenous entity but a linking of a constellation of our unique experiences and related by virtue of a common racial root. That is the Chinese-facing aspect of Chinese in the British political scene.

On the other hand, the society-facing aspect of Chinese Britons is witnessing the growth of political consciousness that comes from a realisation that a community without mainstream political presence is a non-engaged community with various disadvantages. This of course is independent of any personal integration in society and it cannot be denied that unfortunately racial lines still need to be worked at to obliterate any divide that exists, as it does in all societies.

That is the basis of my political hope.
Mei Lin Posted 0:40 on 27 January 2009
Fascinating and important discussion , leaving aside the occasional digression.

Chit Chong: very very very good point :

"....And if your children want to do so, give them your support rather than trying to force them to be doctors or lawyers"

Indeed!
We can go on about how many Chinese MPs 'there should be' til the cows come home, but has anyone yet looked at the proportion of Chinese in those professions above?! Hmmm! Potential for higher proportion than other community groups?

As discussed, there are significant reasons why the situation is as it is, however Chinese Britons need to consider exactly how they wish to be engaged in the life of their country.

From there, the political objective clearly in sight, it can be tackled in a far more coherant way!

Happy and peaceful New Year everyone.
pensggs - magna carte Posted 22:45 on 27 January 2009
Interesting point.

It is not only Chinese who might not know what the 'magna carte' was about. Wonder how many MPs are aware or know of this document?

Go into the street and ask the average white youngster, bet you a great percentage do not know what the document meant and what it stood for then and should stand for now.

Why expect more from the average Chinese when the same is not expected of the average white. How about you trying out the Nationality Test with the locals. I have and the results are 'interesting'.

People representative means representing all regardless of race, intelligence, wealth, etc. So please do not expect more from a Chinese than you would of anyone else.
Teck Posted 1:58 on 28 January 2009
I like to thank Pensggs and NZBC for posting, and also make two observations.

Firstly, NZBC’s comments are interesting in that there is a greater chance of parliamentary participation for Chinese citizens of New Zealand and therefore direct representation of community interests because every person who is eligible to vote can exercise two votes – one for a specific candidate and the other for the party of choice – in a unicameral parliament based on proportional representation. That and a more egalitarian society probably account for the Chinese presence in parliament there.

In the United Kingdom, the Upper House is made up of appointees and because they are not representatives of a constituency, in the case of the Chinese people in Britain, a Member of the House of Lords is more able to take up ethnic community issues. In contrast, a Member of the House of Commons who is an elected representative is more restricted in this regard unless the constituency has a large number of Chinese people although there are various channels to lend vital support according to the circumstances. Unfortunately, following the death of Lord Chan, there is no Chinese parliamentarian in either House at Westminster.

Secondly, Pensggs’s point highlights an undercurrent evident on this and other threads where there seems to be unwarranted embarrassment and criticism about the personal characteristics of some Chinese people which in reality are often mirrored in other races too.

The essence of achieving political presence in Westminster is two-fold and both should in some measure address the issues alluded to by Pensggs. A Chinese ennobled with a baronetcy would be able to give Chinese issues a voice in Parliament while an elected MP would symbolise and evince to the public the integration of the Chinese Britons into mainstream society. Having one of our kind in either or both Houses would help reduce the credibility gap that many Chinese face in this society and enhance their pride, respect and self-confidence.
Hot Chinese Chips - Political Interest Posted 12:14 on 28 January 2009
Pensggs: "It is not only Chinese who might not know what the 'magna carte' was about. Wonder how many MPs are aware or know of this document?"

The point I was trying to make was not what Chinese know about British history, but whether most British Chinese are interested enough about politics to enter into it.

It appears that most would sooner defend their ignorance, than defend common sense.
pensggs Posted 11:37 on 29 January 2009
'Ignorance' is a judgement by one person on another.

The peasant is considered 'ignorant', the educated is considered 'intelligent'. Put the educated into the peasant's environment and see the 'ignorance' of the well versed and well educated, and the well heeled.

To enter politics in UK, one does not need 'common sense', one needs 'bloody mindedness'. A person with common sense will not fight in the wilderness of the UK's political system.

So, here's my tribute to the 'bloody mindedness' of those that dared to take on the jungle of UK's political society.
I will continue to sit on the fence and cheer you on.
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 15:44 on 29 January 2009
"To enter politics in UK, one does not need 'common sense', one needs 'bloody mindedness'. A person with common sense will not fight in the wilderness of the UK's political system." - pensggs


Get some common sense Dr. Teck Kong!!

I love this site!
pensggs - certainty Posted 17:38 on 29 January 2009
Certainty belongs to one who lives in a hot house. The climate is well controlled

Seeing only the colour 'black' and 'white' with no other colour spectrum, the preserve of the one that 'do not wish to see'.

Looks like you are a target once again, Teck!!!!!

Happy New Year
Teck Posted 1:15 on 30 January 2009
Of course, there is a time and place for every spirited emotion, display of conviction and pursuit of just causes.

If there is anyone who wishes to 'target' what I wish to achieve, then it must surely be more meaningful to do so in a debate without the veil of anonymity.
Hot Chinese Chips - Wise pensggs Posted 4:29 on 30 January 2009
Pensggs, you are truly wise.
Chit Chong - Learning from Jews and Muslims Posted 1:43 on 1 February 2009
Let me take this discussion in a slightly different direction, by drawing a parallel between us and the Muslim community.

Just as we are whinging about our lack of political representation, some in the Muslim world are thinking about the success of the Jews compared to Muslims as in Dr Saleem’s article “Why are the Jews are so powerful & Why are Muslims so Powerless” http://dfoolonthehill.com/?p=1475

As far as business and inventiveness is concerned, the parallel does not hold true, as there are many Chinese role models in both camps. When it comes to politics however, it does especially in the UK.

We are often called the Jews of the East, we match them when it comes to doctors, lawyers and business people. Like them we are A+ compared to other minorities and indeed native people. When it comes to politics however we are definitely F. We loose out compared to the Africans and Bangladeshis. The Jews however are A+ here as well, and their disproportionate lobbying strength and representation in the US and UK has cosseted Israel for the past 60 years.

Their effectiveness in politics goes well beyond the pork barrel politics of getting people to support your cause. (pardon the expression). We owe Jewish people a debt for their political thinking and activism. You only have to look at the impact that Marx and Trotsky have made on international politics.

In UK environmental politics, something I know a lot about, one of the most influential Principal Speakers was Jewish as are many environmental activists and thinkers.

In the wider UK politics Jewish economists end up as Chancellor of the Exchequer, and their lawyers as MPs and Ministers of State.

Where are our economists and lawyers? Indeed where are our Chinese politicians?

The answer is clear that we must become political. To continue to sit on the fence is to be impotent, to be powerless and to be naïve.
fok sg - handful of sand Posted 11:48 on 6 March 2009
Dr Teck, a fine rhetorical article.
Of course we need to have a few MPs, many more City Councillors & others in public office, but it is a process
British Chinese, not Chinese Britons,
as we are now 華 θ£” and not
華 僑 as our earlier generations and new arrivals.
But to get into those elected positions, in western democratic systems, one needs to get immersed into the Political Party system as interested volunteers &/or donor supporters. It is a process that takes time and perseverance. Solid support from ones own visible or cultural base / origins is crucial, yet noting the presence of well educated and assimilated 3rd generations, the opportunity knocks, it is the will and passion for the small numbers who need to be identified, encouraged and supported.
For the few who have received positions of appointments, public recognition and elected in the UK, share your experiences , but the 華 人 / C. populous need to show support instead of sitting on the fence criticising and is common with majority from the Handful of Sand


華 θ£” waa4 jeoi6 ~ hua2 yi4 = ethnic Chinese; of Chinese descent
華 僑 waa4 kiu4 ~ hua2 qiao2 overseas Chinese
pensggs - Effective & Efficient Byst Posted 15:05 on 7 March 2009
The idealist live and die for their ideals.

The bystanders and audience cheers their heroes on and runs for cover in the opposiste direction when their blood and sweat are required.

The opportunists observe, criticise and support as long as there is 'profit' in it for them.

The followers like leemings follow without any directional purpose, and supporting the wrong leaders assist to the damage of the 'Cause'.

The realist observes, analyse and act at the appropriate time, to forward their cause.

The leaders leads to their own agenda. Many are self sacrificing. Many are opportunist leaders.

And in between all these roles, there exist, a technique called 'Sitting on the fence' and maintaining one's option to act to achieve maximum impact at the right time. I call this 'effective and efficient bystanding'.

'A handful of sand' is useful when one needs to temporary blind one's opponent when under threat and need to escape from immediate danger.

Effective and efficient 'fence sitting' technique with the right boots and tools allows one to sabotage or assist the right 'side of the fence'. Sitting on the fence is a precarious and unstable pastime. Both sides can choose to take down the fence. However, then there is no need for the 'fence'

Today, I choose to sit on the fence (the fence still exists). I see no 'self sacrificing leaders' worthy of my support. I have the choice to jump off the fence for those causes I believe in. I choose which 'cause' I wish to get 'dirty' in. At the same time, I spend the time on the 'fence' acquiring the right 'tools' to forward my own agenda.

Try it sometime, it allows one 'not to be a blind by a handful of sand'. Of course, a 'red flying hood' can be very helpful to help one flies off the fence.
Edwina Lee - Enabling politics vs Opposing Posted 15:38 on 13 March 2009
Dr. Teck Khong's frustration with party politics is a consequence of the obsolescence of opposition politics.

Clearly, the era of an adversarial political process should be over in view of the fact that legislation has embodied the founding objectives of the main parties: Labour, Conservative, Liberal- Democrat, and even the Greens.

It is time for major changes in politics, and it is those who fight and enable this change who will reap the glory.

This is a great opportune time for the Chinese community to lead this change in politics.

Edwina Lee
Edwina Lee - Ideals & Life Aims Posted 15:52 on 13 March 2009
If we don't follow our ideals, we stand to live and died for nothing.

Sometimes, we are following our ideals without knowing it.
Jeff Minter Posted 4:26 on 28 March 2009
Must disagree with fok sg, nothing to do with how long you or your family has been here. There are plenty of cases of africans, asians who come here as 1st gen immigrants and are now top of the pile.

Chit Chong is right though - your A*s and first degrees only count for so much - in the real world, social connections amount for more than intelligence. Just look at Bush.
MERK - hk Posted 4:14 on 21 August 2009
i was just reading about bno (british national overseas), and it was saying something like how they have a right to join the house of lords. then i thought to myself, how many chinamen from hk have actually taken advantage of this, and i am coming to realise that there are probably no mps that are chinese even though the laws says they can run, but how many actually make it? things in the uk are very different from south east asia. you can see in south east asia that chinese are involved on many levels of politicals but its just very different in the gwai lo world. they mentioned steven chu, but even in the usa, the chinese are not involved very much in politics. the chinese represent about 1% of the population in america. the jews represent 2%. do you know how many jewish politicians there are?
maggie - BBC Posted 23:20 on 3 September 2009
If you feel the BBC are in anyway prejudice, please spend a few minutes to voice your concerns over any racism on their programmes, i was just watching MOCK THE WEEK, 3rd september 9pm, and the C word was used... it has to be addressed, so please lift a finger to post your complaints...
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