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Monday, 19 June 2006
An unidentified man recently stole my identity. He directed people to my website, talked over instant messenger and sent emails in my name. The goal of this sinister enterprise? He wished to chat to Asian girls on-line and found it expedient to have a false identity and photographic “proof” of experience in Asia to facilitate this. I have lived in Japan, and visited China, Thailand, Malaysia and Taiwan, and suited his purposes admirably.

I did not discover this identity theft on my own. A young women suspected something was amiss with her version of 'Shane Coughlan' and emailed me directly. She – an export trader in Shenyang – noted differences between his stories and the evidence on my website. My coworkers in secure communication had a giggle (we are network security people and should really avoid this sort of embarrassment).

I am disturbed by the theft of my identity. This is not because I believe anything particularly harmful could have been done in my name, but because I find the motive behind the theft disconcerting. The person who assumed my name has a fetish for Asian women and he is not alone. The plethora of ethnically orientated pornography suggests he has plenty of company.

The objectification of women is hardly something new, nor is the idea of certain ethnic traits being associated with an ethnic identity. For many people the English are still cold, the Germans have no sense of humor and the Japanese are inscrutable. Associations of female servility and humbleness combined with masculine power are still applied to Asia.

During my time in Japan I was frequently ashamed both of the expected and actual behavior of my fellow Europeans and (not so fellow) Americans and Australians. Arrogant sexual predators would be a polite label for a good number of the crowd I encountered. Recently a Japanese friend of mine called me in a distressed state. Her friend's boyfriend had just asked if he could invite someone to have sex with her.

There is still something of the cultural imperialist about us Euro-centric males, and a slightly annoying whiff of empire. A lack of accountability, respect or decency has a habit of traveling with young European or American men as they wander through nations. Young women flock around following dreams born of TV or movies or magazines, and hearts inevitably are broken.

I am baffled by the lack of accountability more than anything else. I fail to understand how young men can regard actions unacceptable in England or France or the USA as something allowable in Japan, China or Thailand. The gulf between such actions and consideration of other people's feelings is immense. Let's take our little identity thief. He is talking to women and taking their trust, building false promises and hopes of a relationship. He is elaborately fabricating a lie that can have no purpose but to prove to himself that he can attract Asian women (if he pretends to be someone else).

How cruel.

One feels a sense of vague hopelessness. There is little point in hanging signs in schools saying “Women are not toys.” There is even less point in hanging signs that say “Chinese women are not toys.” While we foster implicit or explicit ideas of racial difference and inherent superiority – or lack thereof – there will be no genuine respect for other cultures. In exactly the same manner there will be no genuine equality between genders.

Education is key. When young men are told they are better than young women they will believe it. When Western youths are told that Asian women are servile the same will hold true. We can counter this only by educating people in different cultures, different value systems, and instilling in people a strong sense of respect. Respect must cross cultures and include even those that one might not agree with.

Occasionally on cultural forums I notice a flare-up. It usually starts with some tale of a Westerner doing xyz to a girl, and a bunch of men get hot under the collar. I understand the emotion but fear the sentiments expressed tend to perpetuate rather than improve the situation. Picking on the adult disasters is not going to ensure that our future generations get on well. Educating people is the only way to guarantee that.

I sincerely hope that my child will see no difference between an Anglo-Saxon and an ethic Han beyond history and language. My great-grandfather was a Royal Navy officer in Hong Kong when the sign on the door at the officers club said “No dogs, no Chinese.” Just shortly before that in the USA signs outside shops would say “No blacks, no Irish” (I'm Irish). I am tired of that world, and I hope that we can work together to fix it.

In the meantime, if you are an Asian woman and meet someone on MSN who claims they are Shane Coughlan please be careful. The real Shane has no time for instant messaging. If you want to marry me you'll have to email directly.

Shane Coughlan
 
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Luke - It works both ways Posted 11:45 on 1 August 2006
Outside the west, many men have the impression that western women are promiscuous, partly due to the fact they are more likely to have encountered one on screen in a lurid film rather than in real life.

Then again, in China western men are seen as being unfaithful. I always reply that I am perfectly faithful to each of my three girlfriends.
g - may be driven by economic fact Posted 21:39 on 1 August 2006
Some of the behaviour is certainly driven by economic factors. I remember walking through the bar districts in Shanghai and Hong Kong during previous trips to China, and I was always simultaneously amazed and ashamed at the number of old Caucasian men with young Chinese girls clinging to them. So in an environment where men can easily buy attention from girls easier than they could in their home countries (or for a much cheaper price at any rate), perhaps it's not that surprising that some of them get the attitude towards Asian girls that they have.
arnold palmer Posted 1:31 on 9 August 2006
i strongly agree with the point you make about a lot of western men seeing asian woman as inferior. i am a 20 year old with a long term asian girlfriend of 4 years anfi am stoo letting asked on a daily basis of how she performs in bed if i had a white gf, this wouldnt happen
bow - It won't work Posted 11:52 on 10 August 2006
Do you think you are funny, Luke? I don't think so!
Nick - Foreigner in Beijing Posted 13:29 on 1 September 2006
Foreigner, currently living in Beijing.

Its embarrassing the way us foreigners will behave all over the world.
Firstly, I don't know if its wise to mention any specific risk to Asian women, as interesting as the theft of our identity is. I think that guys would behave the same in their own countries if they got the chance, really. (I'm pig ugly in England, but no one notices here).

I hate to be labelled as a foreigner, even foreigners who can speak and write fluently in Chinese are still never welcomed as Chinese. I think the feeling of alienation sometimes leads to poor behaviour. If I'm going to be treated like a dog, how long will it take before I give up and behave like one? I don't mean to place any blame, I just thought this when I read about accountability.

Your comment about Americans made me laugh.

We need to lighten up though, I behave well and I'm sick of felling white guilt on behalf of some other poor lost soul. Plus, let me count the number of fairly conspicuous brothels between my home and subway station, and I think its fair to say that the Chinese have been having an odd time of it long before the Victorians got embarrassed and covered up the ankles on their piano stools. Lighten up, fellow chimps!
tony - chinese girls/western men Posted 17:25 on 14 December 2006
im what you would call a white, blue eyed british male. give me a chinese girl over a white girl any day. in fact for the past 5 years ive dated nothing else. i will never change or "go back" now.no regrets at all.
Keri - ? Posted 23:48 on 9 January 2007
what do you like about chinese girls?
Stu McGoo - Mmmm - Chinese girls Posted 2:44 on 28 May 2007
WHen I was seven I feel in love with a girl called Chow Ying Pan (it seemed that way at the time). Its still the same now. I accidently mentiond that I thought chinese women were the most beautiful in the world to my last girlfriend, who is Irish of descent, and needless to say we are not seeing each other now.

I have endeavoured to meet a Chinese woman, for love, in daily life and over the internet and have found my contact with them very enlightening in some respects. The Eurasian look is very attractive in itself, Japanese and Thai women are equally beautiful, but there is are some slight differences that make chinese women stand out for me. They are not servile to men, but in fact long to not have to be, their culture does put women in a lower bracket (like it was here not so long ago) and so opportunities for very intellegint women to excell are in less supply. A lot of chinese women that are from china and in britain or trying to come to britain are looking to move on their own path to some extent and are often strong willed.

I asked Vietnamese friend if (eur)asain women really do go for white guys, or is it just a passport/money (she has an ausie husband). She told me that most girls see western men as a better choice for them "because they're better looking than {our} men and are kinder and listen more, white girls in vietnam don't get a look in, all the white men are with vietnamise girls", my (vietnamese)friend Li told me on a drunken night out dancing, she aslo went on to boast about they beat the americans, but thats another story.

The point i'm making is that whilst there is a lot of negatives in this situation, it can have some positive if the right people get together, the cultures can mix well.
lang - About the vietnamese Posted 18:18 on 27 September 2007
If you happen to see your vietnamese friend again. Please ask her why there is now an explosion of prostitution in Vietnam and vietnamese women are queuing to marry foreigners (any foreigners).
Boasting about beating the US!! It costs us 3 million dead, 30 years totalitarianism and now the country is up to its nose in corruption and totally, morally bankrupted. Your friend is typically one of those Viet-kieu who hooked up with Johnny foreigner to get out of the country. She pays lip service to the old country without ever wishes to go back and live there (as a hapless vietnamese). It always amazed me how people can accomodate all the contradictions in their lives.
joe pih - in reply Posted 1:39 on 27 November 2007
I am of mixed heritage and come from quite a large family. It makes me quite sick to think that their our males out there who treat women as sex objects-what would you do if another bloke treated your sister or mother the same as you do!!
noma - ga Posted 17:33 on 27 June 2008
what is the wb meb mean can you gave some pictures
Stephanie Posted 1:02 on 1 July 2008
It's amazing. Because as a white girl living in China, I got plenty of attention from white, black, and Chinese guys.

Chinese men tended to be nasty to me (at least in the beginning before I lost 20 lbs), but I think it has more to do with being intimidated.

I had a neighbor who I seriously thought only liked Chinese girls. Something eventually happened (that wasn't good), but it proved to me that men living in Asian countries don't just exclusively want Asian women.

It anything, I think sometimes the desire to sleep with whatever they see, crops up.

Even us fat, big bodied whiteys (haha).

Plus, if you want to get back at white guys in those countries and get their attention, just date outside of your race.

See how quickly the indifference melts away!
Stephanie Posted 1:07 on 1 July 2008
I will counter that with. Asian women tend to eat better and take care of themselves. And looks are important.

There are some crazy Asian fetishes going around.

But that's not the truth all the time.

If a guy wants to date a Chinese girl, that's fine with me. There are lots of beautiful, special, and caring girls in that culture.

If a guy wants to use, abuse, and discard Chinese girls that's another matter entirely.
ZarenaF Posted 13:28 on 12 September 2008
Oh please. Surely the whole 'asian women are easy prey' and the 'bad white male predator' scenario propagates the whole issue of objectification of women? Why not allow us women to own personal responsibility for how people treat us? We are people, and adults, with our own minds and the ability to say no and perhaps a knee to the crotch if needs be, not poor pathetic submissive weaker sex who are prey to conniving intellectually superior (ahem!) men who lust over our very asianness and indulge in fetishes. There are men who have an asian fetish but if you have an ounce of nous and don't reek of desperation, chances you'd be able to flip a hand to their face and walk away. It takes two to err tango and do other things, and we have choices. In our attempt to dispel this whole imperialistic attitude towards poor chinese women surely we're again stereotyping them? I'm east asian by the way, of dubious heritage (well half japanese and half indonesian) so I'm quite qualified to represent east asian women ;)
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