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Monday, 19 June 2006
An unidentified man recently stole my identity. He directed people to my website, talked over instant messenger and sent emails in my name. The goal of this sinister enterprise? He wished to chat to Asian girls on-line and found it expedient to have a false identity and photographic “proof” of experience in Asia to facilitate this. I have lived in Japan, and visited China, Thailand, Malaysia and Taiwan, and suited his purposes admirably.

I did not discover this identity theft on my own. A young women suspected something was amiss with her version of 'Shane Coughlan' and emailed me directly. She – an export trader in Shenyang – noted differences between his stories and the evidence on my website. My coworkers in secure communication had a giggle (we are network security people and should really avoid this sort of embarrassment).

I am disturbed by the theft of my identity. This is not because I believe anything particularly harmful could have been done in my name, but because I find the motive behind the theft disconcerting. The person who assumed my name has a fetish for Asian women and he is not alone. The plethora of ethnically orientated pornography suggests he has plenty of company.

The objectification of women is hardly something new, nor is the idea of certain ethnic traits being associated with an ethnic identity. For many people the English are still cold, the Germans have no sense of humor and the Japanese are inscrutable. Associations of female servility and humbleness combined with masculine power are still applied to Asia.

During my time in Japan I was frequently ashamed both of the expected and actual behavior of my fellow Europeans and (not so fellow) Americans and Australians. Arrogant sexual predators would be a polite label for a good number of the crowd I encountered. Recently a Japanese friend of mine called me in a distressed state. Her friend's boyfriend had just asked if he could invite someone to have sex with her.

There is still something of the cultural imperialist about us Euro-centric males, and a slightly annoying whiff of empire. A lack of accountability, respect or decency has a habit of traveling with young European or American men as they wander through nations. Young women flock around following dreams born of TV or movies or magazines, and hearts inevitably are broken.

I am baffled by the lack of accountability more than anything else. I fail to understand how young men can regard actions unacceptable in England or France or the USA as something allowable in Japan, China or Thailand. The gulf between such actions and consideration of other people's feelings is immense. Let's take our little identity thief. He is talking to women and taking their trust, building false promises and hopes of a relationship. He is elaborately fabricating a lie that can have no purpose but to prove to himself that he can attract Asian women (if he pretends to be someone else).

How cruel.

One feels a sense of vague hopelessness. There is little point in hanging signs in schools saying “Women are not toys.” There is even less point in hanging signs that say “Chinese women are not toys.” While we foster implicit or explicit ideas of racial difference and inherent superiority – or lack thereof – there will be no genuine respect for other cultures. In exactly the same manner there will be no genuine equality between genders.

Education is key. When young men are told they are better than young women they will believe it. When Western youths are told that Asian women are servile the same will hold true. We can counter this only by educating people in different cultures, different value systems, and instilling in people a strong sense of respect. Respect must cross cultures and include even those that one might not agree with.

Occasionally on cultural forums I notice a flare-up. It usually starts with some tale of a Westerner doing xyz to a girl, and a bunch of men get hot under the collar. I understand the emotion but fear the sentiments expressed tend to perpetuate rather than improve the situation. Picking on the adult disasters is not going to ensure that our future generations get on well. Educating people is the only way to guarantee that.

I sincerely hope that my child will see no difference between an Anglo-Saxon and an ethic Han beyond history and language. My great-grandfather was a Royal Navy officer in Hong Kong when the sign on the door at the officers club said “No dogs, no Chinese.” Just shortly before that in the USA signs outside shops would say “No blacks, no Irish” (I'm Irish). I am tired of that world, and I hope that we can work together to fix it.

In the meantime, if you are an Asian woman and meet someone on MSN who claims they are Shane Coughlan please be careful. The real Shane has no time for instant messaging. If you want to marry me you'll have to email directly.

Shane Coughlan
 
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Luke - It works both ways Posted 11:45 on 1 August 2006
Outside the west, many men have the impression that western women are promiscuous, partly due to the fact they are more likely to have encountered one on screen in a lurid film rather than in real life.

Then again, in China western men are seen as being unfaithful. I always reply that I am perfectly faithful to each of my three girlfriends.
g - may be driven by economic fact Posted 21:39 on 1 August 2006
Some of the behaviour is certainly driven by economic factors. I remember walking through the bar districts in Shanghai and Hong Kong during previous trips to China, and I was always simultaneously amazed and ashamed at the number of old Caucasian men with young Chinese girls clinging to them. So in an environment where men can easily buy attention from girls easier than they could in their home countries (or for a much cheaper price at any rate), perhaps it's not that surprising that some of them get the attitude towards Asian girls that they have.
arnold palmer Posted 1:31 on 9 August 2006
i strongly agree with the point you make about a lot of western men seeing asian woman as inferior. i am a 20 year old with a long term asian girlfriend of 4 years anfi am stoo letting asked on a daily basis of how she performs in bed if i had a white gf, this wouldnt happen
bow - It won't work Posted 11:52 on 10 August 2006
Do you think you are funny, Luke? I don't think so!
Nick - Foreigner in Beijing Posted 13:29 on 1 September 2006
Foreigner, currently living in Beijing.

Its embarrassing the way us foreigners will behave all over the world.
Firstly, I don't know if its wise to mention any specific risk to Asian women, as interesting as the theft of our identity is. I think that guys would behave the same in their own countries if they got the chance, really. (I'm pig ugly in England, but no one notices here).

I hate to be labelled as a foreigner, even foreigners who can speak and write fluently in Chinese are still never welcomed as Chinese. I think the feeling of alienation sometimes leads to poor behaviour. If I'm going to be treated like a dog, how long will it take before I give up and behave like one? I don't mean to place any blame, I just thought this when I read about accountability.

Your comment about Americans made me laugh.

We need to lighten up though, I behave well and I'm sick of felling white guilt on behalf of some other poor lost soul. Plus, let me count the number of fairly conspicuous brothels between my home and subway station, and I think its fair to say that the Chinese have been having an odd time of it long before the Victorians got embarrassed and covered up the ankles on their piano stools. Lighten up, fellow chimps!
tony - chinese girls/western men Posted 17:25 on 14 December 2006
im what you would call a white, blue eyed british male. give me a chinese girl over a white girl any day. in fact for the past 5 years ive dated nothing else. i will never change or "go back" now.no regrets at all.
Keri - ? Posted 23:48 on 9 January 2007
what do you like about chinese girls?
crise grg - they are beauty Posted 10:14 on 18 July 2010
they are beayty
Stu McGoo - Mmmm - Chinese girls Posted 2:44 on 28 May 2007
WHen I was seven I feel in love with a girl called Chow Ying Pan (it seemed that way at the time). Its still the same now. I accidently mentiond that I thought chinese women were the most beautiful in the world to my last girlfriend, who is Irish of descent, and needless to say we are not seeing each other now.

I have endeavoured to meet a Chinese woman, for love, in daily life and over the internet and have found my contact with them very enlightening in some respects. The Eurasian look is very attractive in itself, Japanese and Thai women are equally beautiful, but there is are some slight differences that make chinese women stand out for me. They are not servile to men, but in fact long to not have to be, their culture does put women in a lower bracket (like it was here not so long ago) and so opportunities for very intellegint women to excell are in less supply. A lot of chinese women that are from china and in britain or trying to come to britain are looking to move on their own path to some extent and are often strong willed.

I asked Vietnamese friend if (eur)asain women really do go for white guys, or is it just a passport/money (she has an ausie husband). She told me that most girls see western men as a better choice for them "because they're better looking than {our} men and are kinder and listen more, white girls in vietnam don't get a look in, all the white men are with vietnamise girls", my (vietnamese)friend Li told me on a drunken night out dancing, she aslo went on to boast about they beat the americans, but thats another story.

The point i'm making is that whilst there is a lot of negatives in this situation, it can have some positive if the right people get together, the cultures can mix well.
john roberts - chinese wife Posted 22:12 on 20 December 2008
stu can you help-I live in exeter in devon and there are a lot of chinese girls here and they are soooo beautiful but how do I go about dating them-I`ve asked a few out for dinner and given them my no; but nothing happens ? is there a contact site for them or what ? any advise you offer is good many thanx- John
lang - About the vietnamese Posted 18:18 on 27 September 2007
If you happen to see your vietnamese friend again. Please ask her why there is now an explosion of prostitution in Vietnam and vietnamese women are queuing to marry foreigners (any foreigners).
Boasting about beating the US!! It costs us 3 million dead, 30 years totalitarianism and now the country is up to its nose in corruption and totally, morally bankrupted. Your friend is typically one of those Viet-kieu who hooked up with Johnny foreigner to get out of the country. She pays lip service to the old country without ever wishes to go back and live there (as a hapless vietnamese). It always amazed me how people can accomodate all the contradictions in their lives.
joe pih - in reply Posted 1:39 on 27 November 2007
I am of mixed heritage and come from quite a large family. It makes me quite sick to think that their our males out there who treat women as sex objects-what would you do if another bloke treated your sister or mother the same as you do!!
noma - ga Posted 17:33 on 27 June 2008
what is the wb meb mean can you gave some pictures
Stephanie Posted 1:02 on 1 July 2008
It's amazing. Because as a white girl living in China, I got plenty of attention from white, black, and Chinese guys.

Chinese men tended to be nasty to me (at least in the beginning before I lost 20 lbs), but I think it has more to do with being intimidated.

I had a neighbor who I seriously thought only liked Chinese girls. Something eventually happened (that wasn't good), but it proved to me that men living in Asian countries don't just exclusively want Asian women.

It anything, I think sometimes the desire to sleep with whatever they see, crops up.

Even us fat, big bodied whiteys (haha).

Plus, if you want to get back at white guys in those countries and get their attention, just date outside of your race.

See how quickly the indifference melts away!
Stephanie Posted 1:07 on 1 July 2008
I will counter that with. Asian women tend to eat better and take care of themselves. And looks are important.

There are some crazy Asian fetishes going around.

But that's not the truth all the time.

If a guy wants to date a Chinese girl, that's fine with me. There are lots of beautiful, special, and caring girls in that culture.

If a guy wants to use, abuse, and discard Chinese girls that's another matter entirely.
ZarenaF Posted 13:28 on 12 September 2008
Oh please. Surely the whole 'asian women are easy prey' and the 'bad white male predator' scenario propagates the whole issue of objectification of women? Why not allow us women to own personal responsibility for how people treat us? We are people, and adults, with our own minds and the ability to say no and perhaps a knee to the crotch if needs be, not poor pathetic submissive weaker sex who are prey to conniving intellectually superior (ahem!) men who lust over our very asianness and indulge in fetishes. There are men who have an asian fetish but if you have an ounce of nous and don't reek of desperation, chances you'd be able to flip a hand to their face and walk away. It takes two to err tango and do other things, and we have choices. In our attempt to dispel this whole imperialistic attitude towards poor chinese women surely we're again stereotyping them? I'm east asian by the way, of dubious heritage (well half japanese and half indonesian) so I'm quite qualified to represent east asian women ;)
john roberts - dating chinese girls in the uk Posted 22:00 on 20 December 2008
how does a white british male go about dating a chinese girl-I am so inpressed by there beauty and sincerity to family life and feel I could seriously find happiness with a chinese wife....help...??
john - chinese girls Posted 19:42 on 23 February 2010
hi john ...go to... chinese kisses... dateing web site !!

lots of very beautifle chinese girls looking for partners !!!

take care good luck john
Jeff Minter Posted 20:21 on 8 July 2009
Even on an article spelling out the sleaziness of white men and their regard to oriental women, there are freaks here asking for advice on how to "shag em and bag em".

Clue: if your first thought in "finding happiness" is "chinese wife", then you're a social failure, and congratulations, one of those weirdos everyone refers to.

The sooner oriental women raise their standards and do not accept the first white man (or indeed, second, third. etc) that comes along who will bed them and forget them, the better. There are so many gullible oriental women about - oh, he's nice to me! He's so strong and handsome... and so forward...he wants to have sex on the first "date"? Alright then...

And then they're surprised and heartbroken to find him shagging the next oriental woman the next day, or worse still, become pregnant to a serial player, one that can't play in the league of white girls, but is relying on the colonial attitude of the past.

It also amazes me how oriental men are letting this happen, in such numbers, in the far east... were chinese men to get white women and use them in the same manner (talk them up, sex then discard them) - especially if we were the old, fat and paedo looking kind who seem to be doing the bulk of such activity - there'll be neo-nazi mobs hunting them down and putting an end to their perverted ways.
Jeff Minter Posted 20:28 on 8 July 2009
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I hate to be labelled as a foreigner, even foreigners who can speak and write fluently in Chinese are still never welcomed as Chinese. I think the feeling of alienation sometimes leads to poor behaviour. If I'm going to be treated like a dog, how long will it take before I give up and behave like one? I don't mean to place any blame, I just thought this when I read about accountability."

Yeah, now trying being born in the country and not being seen as British. Yeah, those are the feelings of every British Chinese. Inconsiderate tosser.

Yet, despite being treated as dogs ourselves (shall we go back to the No dogs or Chinese signs?), we're bloody nice people. Or are you suggesting we should go "hunting" too? Rape a few white girls, that kind of thing? We are dogs after all.
Jeff Minter Posted 20:49 on 8 July 2009
"We can counter this only by educating people in different cultures, different value systems, and instilling in people a strong sense of respect. Respect must cross cultures and include even those that one might not agree with."

How will this be implemented? Compulsory education is only until 16, and then you are free to learn what you like, how you like. If you want to think that using oriental women, underage girls for your pleasure is right, that will happen.

I notice that the "man > woman" culture is taught in Britain (don't know about other western countries) with brutal effect - you see this every weekend, the assumption is men will get their way and women can't stop them. In a twisted veneer of feminism, women now "have the power" by promptly giving the man exactly what he wants - as opposed to the old model of the man forcing her to give him what he wants. What progress.

Obviously, this sort of attitude will pass on when the typical Brit male goes abroad, and sees an ethnic minority - if white women are below them, what does that make non-white women? Sexual slaves isn't far off.
Sickofit - Dirty Foreigners Posted 15:40 on 4 October 2009
I don't care if a Western man wants to date an Asian woman...what I don't like is the male English teachers using their students as a 'dating' pool. They don't take their job seriously and make a joke of it for people who actually give a damn about teaching English. I've heard some of the most disgusting things coming from the mouths of such people. Things like "My buddy took home a girl last night and was pissed to wake up in the morning to find the house wasn't cleaned!" Apparently, some people pick up to also get a free house cleaning. And then some of these guys have multiple partners and even relationships, but say "but I would never marry an Asian woman". Seriously, this needs to stop...go home and quit disgracing other males who actually love the women of Asia. If any of you who read this are Asian women studying English: Please be careful. Your teacher might be charming, handsome and funny, but he may just want to get into your pants. And just to let you know, this is usually unacceptable in Western culture...teachers dating their students. Many people could lose their jobs if they do this in their own country. Another thing is, many of these kinds of people complain a lot about Asian culture, but they are willing to use the women as they please. Please don't let them do this to you. It isn't right. You have a choice, make the right one.
johnholmes - The naivety of Shane Posted 16:34 on 12 November 2009
you ve got it the wrong way round; plenty of Asian girls want to sample whitey-who was serious about them-but then stay married to their Japanese hubby who while not as exciting is fool enough to put up with her shenanigans because in the long term she ll stick with him.

I speak from experience. I ve been dumped because parents wouldnt let her marry a foreigner, I ve been dumped or toyed with because she lived with her husband, I ve been used because her J-BF paid the rent and she wanted to live in central Tokyo.

Japan is a great place if you want casual sex because actually thats what the women want. They dont want to marry you in most cases, but they want to try the other side of the rye, just in case they re missing out on something.

A lot of the men arent promiscuous inherently; its just that when they get used there are plenty of other girls who also want to try out a foreigner. Hes looking for a steady, or a wife to fall in love with. They are looking an exotic experience and at best, a relationship they tire of suddenly in two or three years because he doesnt hold the chopsticks exactly right.

We are toys or ATMs to them, in most cases.
johnholmes Posted 16:37 on 12 November 2009
. There are so many gullible oriental women about - oh, he's nice to me! He's so strong and handsome... and so forward...he wants to have sex on the first "date"? Alright then...

THIS IS SOOOO NAIVE. The women bed them because they are using the white men for an experience, or for an ATM, or because their salaryman J-hubby will put up or not know what they re doing.
Anonymous - re: dating chinese girls in th Posted 20:28 on 7 December 2009
john roberts wrote:
how does a white british male go about dating a chinese girl-I am so inpressed by there beauty and sincerity to family life and feel I could seriously find happiness with a chinese wife....help...??
Philip Manison - dating chinese girls in the uk Posted 20:33 on 7 December 2009
How can i start dating chinese girls in birmingham uk? I am 38 year old male!
Perkins Mc Umara - chinese women Posted 18:56 on 15 April 2010
Most chinese women in London (ie those were not born here) come to make as much money as possible and are sinister in their motives. They rip off white men, run brothels, pretend to be students etc. I find when they first meet u they act all nice, but soon the gold digging kicks in. I think most are from hong kong.
Perkins Mc Umara - chinese women Posted 18:57 on 15 April 2010
on the other hands those in china online are mostly sweet normal girls sometimes expolited by seedy older western men.
chika - i want to marry a china lady Posted 11:48 on 21 July 2010
please i need a china lady for marriage
David - Chika--- I want to marry a Chi Posted 2:13 on 8 July 2011
Why a Chinese Lady? you did not say. I think before you do,you should accept that marriage is based on love not a particular preference for any nationality. I assume your preference may be based on rumours about Chinese Ladies. I met a Chinese Lady and since married her. Rumours good and bad did not come into this. Good luck Chika
chika - i need Posted 11:49 on 21 July 2010
contact me pastorikemes@yahoo.com
Liu Mang - Never miss f*** chance on Chin Posted 16:09 on 12 October 2010
Hi Guys

My advice to all energetic active males that never ever MISS a single chance to f*** chinese girls!

Enjoy tight, smooth and hairy pussies of all ages.....
No side effects, no crime, no panelty .....

Just remember that Chinese want to change so this is the first step towards chinese style of change..........
Tony - China is better Posted 14:59 on 2 January 2011
"While we foster implicit or explicit ideas of racial difference and inherent superiority – or lack thereof – there will be no genuine respect for other cultures."
Well said Shane, but did you really need to put down the western cultures like that :). As an enlightened westerner, I understand that the chinese culture has been around longer and more developed that most western cultures. But it never ceases to amaze me that most westerners think they are better when they are not.
Neveryoumind - Oriental guys Posted 22:33 on 16 March 2011
Im a white girl and find japanese, korean, chinese guys way hotter then white males, and im not talkin bout marriage here, but dating in uk would be fun!
david - i love chinese woman Posted 20:34 on 1 June 2011
her name was hong, i meet on internet she was so petty we talked for five months and fall in love, so i went to china to see her it was great, i went again just not get to much of her,and she of me,she come here to the uk in feb other 6 week night after night no need say how good this was,but all good things never last, she went back to china and in a month it was all over.So i want to find a chinese woman here in birmingham but were do i go,anyone know.
pete - racial steryiotipes Posted 0:00 on 6 September 2011
All the above seem to be racially steriotyping people!In truth there are sexual predetators in all races.
I live in the UK and a lot of asian men abuse white women. Yet let a man of another culture do that to one of there women and ALL HELL can break out.
Perhaps we need to teach all men not feel inferior to women BUT TO TREAT THE AS EQUALS.
YES!Iam a male and love women. I swtill have fantasies or/and fetishes about certain nationalities.
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