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Sunday, 26 October 2008

In the 1960s, an influx of Chinese migrants moved from Asia to the UK for a better life. They wanted their children to have opportunities that they could only dream of. Yet, why are so many BBCs moving to the countries their parents fought so hard to leave? Ping-Ping Wong investigates

At the age of thirteen, Bobby Chan was beaten up by a gang of kids in his school. They punched and kicked him for half and hour while shouting racial insults. Their reasoning for accosting him was pure and simple – he was Chinese and they weren’t.

The cruel incident was the turning point in Chan’s life. He vowed he would leave his home in England and start a new life in Hong Kong. Like many of the Chinese immigrants who arrived in the 1960s, Chan’s parents moved to the UK for work opportunities and to give their children a “better” life. Yet in Chan’s case it had the opposite effect.

There are over 200,000 Chinese people living in the UK and almost one in three of the Chinese population (29.2 percent) are born in the UK. Chan, 26 is part of the recent influx of first generation Chinese professionals who have left their homes in the UK and have moved to Asia because of racist experiences. Recently married to a Hong Kong native he now works as a doctor in Hong Kong.

Ironically, Chan has returned to the very place that his parents fought so hard to leave. He aims for his children to be brought up in Hong Kong and said: “I sometimes have nightmares about the racist bullying I faced in school. I never ever want my children to be brought up in the UK.”

Liz Carnell, director of Bullying Online, believes that racial bullying is something that can scar someone for life, “I think that racial bullying leaves people distressed. Our experience is that people who are bullied at school are often still very upset over it when they are in their 20s, 30s, 60s and even older. It’s a real problem.”

Professor Zweig, an expert in Chinese Studies at Hong Kong University agrees that racism is still a problem in the West. Throughout his research on Chinese migration he has interviewed many Western born Chinese and said: “Some of the key reasons why they return to China are because of a higher status in China and the glass ceiling in the West.”

Zweig gives an example of a good friend who moved to Qingdao because of the cultural barriers he felt with his white colleagues, “He definitely felt that there was a glass ceiling and he could not hang out with the Canadians who would talk about hockey or baseball, and therefore could never be ‘one of the boys.’ ” Zweig admits that not all first generation Chinese will feel out of place, but many do and adds “I Interviewed a fellow here in HK with a similar view – he never felt comfortable in London, so when his boss suggested he move to HK he didn’t hesitate.”

There are many stories of British Chinese professionals who leave the West and do better in Asia. An example is Glen Goei, founder of multi-awarding winning Mu-Lan theatre group. He moved back to Asia after the British Arts Council refused to support the theatre financially and now works as a successful film director in Singapore. One of his films “Forever Fever” was a box office hit in Asia. Goei’s theatre group Mu-Lan was known for doing fresh, gritty plays that challenged many of the wrong stereotypes that people had about the Chinese in London. Its artistic director Paul Courtney Hyu insists that the Arts council refused to support the Theatre group because of the group’s refusal to marginalise their plays. He said: "Blame the Arts Council. They are responsible for the closure of Mu-Lan for not having the capacity to comprehend that British Asiatic theatrical creativity does not have to be marginalised in the way that they are trying to make it.”

Mu-Lan’s contemporary Yellow Earth Theatre is the only prominent British Chinese Theatre group left in London and it aims to promote Asian Theatre in the UK. Veronica Needa, one of the founders of Yellow Earth admits that she has not worked in mainstream theatre for many years now. She believes that change has to start from within the community and true integration is more than just speaking the language. She said: “Many British born Chinese don’t have good enough Cantonese to integrate deeply into the Cantonese speaking side of Hong Kong society. But they might feel that they “fit in” physically as they look like the majority population which can be an attraction and sometimes a relief. Needa encourages young Chinese artists to create their own work rather than wait to be employed by the mainstream.

But what happens when you do not work in the Arts scene and rather than having the leisure to self-promote you have to wait patiently for promotion?

Chung Wong 27, was born and brought up in London but never felt truly British because of his race. In school and later at work his closest friends were always a mix of Chinese, Blacks and Asians. Wong now works as vice president in a global bank in Hong Kong and cites the “Glass Ceiling in London” as the main reason for relocation.

“In London none of the presidents were Asian, Black or Chinese. It was a known fact for the ethnic minorities that promotion would be harder for us. But racism at work is impossible to prove as they can always say they promoted a white guy over you because he was ‘more competent.’ ”

Wong left his family and the only home he ever knew because he felt career progression in London would be limited because of his race. He is much happier in Hong Kong and said: “I knew that if I wanted to get far I had to be on a level playing field where I would not be judged because of the colour of my skin. Now at least in Hong Kong I am surrounded by Chinese people and have a better chance for promotion.”

Professor Schumann invented the term “Culture Shock” to explain the stages that an immigrant goes through from arrival to eventual assimilation. Schumann's “Acculturation Theory” states that when an immigrant moves to a new country he will find the culture of a host country very different, especially if the shift is to a country without the same lingual background. However, British Chinese are natives of the UK with English as their first language, yet many of them do not face a “culture shock” when moving to Asia. More unusually, they find themselves more at home there than in the UK.

True assimilation is a personal and cultural metamorphism but whether you can ever reach it may largely depends largely on the colour of your skin.

 
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Zac Zheng - insightful Posted 10:30 on 26 October 2008
I can really relate to the content of this article.

I came to the UK when I was ten years old, so I've experienced a part of my childhood here without being a BBC.

I have been wanting to get away to Asia since 18, hoping to apply to a Singaporean university, until I left it too late. Then thinking of going back to China after I graduated from an UK university, then I had a child.

My motivations for going back is less to do with the glass ceiling effect but rather being with my fellow kind. Having more choices when it comes to women is also an important consideration.

I'm glad someone wrote an article this as it is difficult to talk about. We should have more of this kind of discussions.
Teck Khong Posted 11:33 on 26 October 2008
There are numerous reasons why the Chinese are lagging behind or are feeling marginalised in Britain and I hope by mentioning some of these in the space available, I have not reduced the importance of those not included.

There is a lot of ignorance based on stereotyping the Chinese and despite our rich culture and achievements, our racial characteristics of self-effacement, deference to authority and humility are at odds with the norms of the conventional Western values.

There is also the low numbers of Chinese Britons exacerbated by being scattered, not that such are necessarily the main factors in themselves, but with strength in numbers comes more profound advantages.

One of the reasons why despite the huge odds that continually challenge my resolve to be selected and elected as an MP is our lack of political profile and representation. I believe a key to becalming the spiritual unrest for many Chinese Britons is the personification of their aspirations in the form of a parliamentary representative from amongst their ranks. Such a parliamentarian would not merely be someone they could turn to for support as the first role of an MP is to represent his constituents and then assist in the legislative processes but someone who would show to them that such an achievement is attainable.

When you consider the above few important reasons together, you might begin to share my view and those expressed on this site and elsewhere that collective support and unity based on common interests are the starting point – a process of inward consolidation and outward and upward climb in public profile and respect.

It has taken many years for the Black Americans to nurture and to mature their political stature from the starting blocks of Martin Luther King to the finishing tape of Barrack Obama.

I think if on a lesser scale of expectation we have a Chinese in the House of Commons by the next General Election, an achievement for good in Britain would have happened beyond our wildest possible imagination.
Kickass Posted 16:17 on 26 October 2008
Going to work in HK is like going to NY. It is a very civilised place. I am very sceptical of the rest of China though. For example I recently made a suggest to CCTV9 about their learn chinese program. Do I get a thank or confirmation email? No, never heard from them again.
ah'B Posted 22:16 on 27 October 2008
I still think there is a lot of repression amongst chinese people willing to expressing their cultural difficulties. The good thing about these sites, to a very small extent it tries to address that. Also chinese tradition worries too much about face and pride, its embarrassing for some to admit they been racially teased or bullied etc. because it sounds like you are weak, or a loser, or a social outcast (not true of course).
Personally I would like to see more of an embracing chinese community of shared interests and mutual support, but I am not naive in that i am aware that the small scattered "chinese community" consists of many subcultures and all sorts of insular groups, and of course different agendas. But I have a affinity with most chinese people, particularly BBCs, because of our unique shared experiences. Everyone knows that wonderful feeling and relief when a fellow chinese person says, I understand you. Having said that, I am not dismissing my fine non-chinese friends either.
chinaman - representation Posted 15:11 on 28 October 2008
First, we are NOT a small community! We're the 3rd largest ethnic minority group in the country, there's more Chinese than Portugese, Brazilians, Ukrainians etc etc etc. We just don't have our own neighbourhoods (unless you want to count Newham and Croydon), and our scattering means no local authority has a "Chinese problem", hence the lack of attention.

I also take issue with Khong's "the starting blocks of MLK and the finishing tape of Barack Obama". Liberation was started on the day the first slave was bought to the Americas, Martin Luther King was just one of many of a long line - Nat Turner, Zumbi of Palmares, Nana of the Maroons, Queen Nzinga etc. Furthermore, an Obama victory will not achieve full emancipation for blacks, and anyhow whilst blacks have long been incorporated in the national narrative of US history, no such acceptance is given to us Asians and Latinos.

As for the UK itself, may I remind people that we do have Chinese politicians, Anna Lo for example. Having "one of us" in parliament is meaningless if they don't represent our agenda. Look at the Chinese in the Netherlands or the Japanese in Chile, this tokenist ideal does not translate into progress. I'd stick with Galloway, Corbyn and people like that any day over some "community leader" Dr so and so MBE that William Ong and his pearl awards decided to nominate.

What are they really going to do for us as immigrants? How is it going to affect the kid who hasn't ever been on one night out even though he's now 17 because he has to work behind the counter? Or the DVD seller who gets mugged every second day? Or the isolated single mums whose men were taken away by the home office?

Having even a Chinese Prime minister is meaningless if the media and society continues to regard us as a community of castrated, submissive, racist, silent accountants and waiters, squatting around beating our women. We need a true voice....
chinaman - kickass Posted 15:18 on 28 October 2008
Is it really reasonable to dismiss an entire nation, 56 different ethnicities, and a fifth of the world because someone desk monkey somewhere didn't reply to one email?
jake Posted 19:26 on 28 October 2008
It depends how you interpret stats and frame relativity, whether the chinese community are big or small.
The minor point I want to make is that, IF someone was to represent my lovely chinese community I belong to, ideally I would respect a more authentic voice that you cannot fake, than someone skilled in pompous pontificating rhetoric. Yes i am fussy!
Hot Chinese Chips - Complete the Circle! Posted 16:25 on 29 October 2008
I'm one of the first generation BBC, and I honestly never pictured myself returning to the motherland, but... now, in my 30s, I'm in Hong Kong! although I had many friends and was quite popular in the UK, at the back of my mind, I always felt that I would never be truly accepted... they have a cultural history that extends back generations, and it made me a kind of 'cultural gatecrasher'

I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a person of Chinese descent in the old world, and Great Britain is certainly a part of the old world. Just make a list of famous BBCs compared to famous ABC's (American)...

I often liken the Western Born Chinese to the character of the mild-mannered Clark Kent, who when not trying to blend in, unleashes his true potential as Superman. The 'glass ceiling' which limits those BBC's from progressing up the career ladder might be seen as the Kryptonite that makes Superman weak.

I run a social group for Western born/raised Chinese in Hong Kong. If you're ever in Hong Kong, come and join us... we're growing into a sizeable group! http://www.meetup.com/expats-HK/

Peace!
Susan S. Cheung - Please contact me Posted 0:32 on 30 October 2008
Hot Chinese Chips,

Please can you email me at susan@dimsum.co.uk

I am one of the contributors to Dimsum.co.uk. Check out my articles in features and also some of the other sections.

I am planning to do a follow up to my viewpoint piece on Love and the Chinese woman. See this link:

http://www.dimsum.co.uk/viewpoints/love-and-the-chinese-woman.html

My idea is to feature BBCs who have immigrated to Hong Kong and talk about their life, relationships and identity.

I would like to feature you and members of your group. Of course, I will not disclose real names and identities, but would like to interview you for my piece.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards,

Susan S. Cheung
aBBC Posted 21:33 on 30 October 2008
That would be a superb idea Susan; I like to award you with some kind of pro-active initiative prize!
I just like to ask Hot Chinese Chips if you can be bothered, whether not knowing Cantonese is big burden working and living in HK, as I am a bad speaker. I haven't taken the plunge and been put off by things like SARS, food hygiene, and the hot clamped living conditions there.
As with the full circle notion, my take is that culture is still changing, with globalization, world travel, internet media and social opportunities to mix with all races on a everyday basis particularly in modern cities etc, people are less ignorant now. My Grandfather’s generation would find hard to believe that I ve lived and socialised with colleagues from Japan and Germany, as if they are just warm ordinary friends.
Hot Chinese Chips - Living and Raving in Hong Kong Posted 9:11 on 31 October 2008
Whether you need to speak Cantonese or not in your workplace depends on the type of company. There are many companies here who employ professionals from different countries around the world and they communicate primarily in English. I'm self-employed so I'm not really the person to ask, but I have met many people who work in Hong Kong who can't speak Cantonese. If you have abilities and skills to offer, most companies will look past the Cantonese speaking factor.

Hong Kong is a much different place than it was 10 years ago. There are many American born Chinese actors/models who come back to Hong Kong as highly admired celebrities and they can't speak a word of Cantonese.

Over the next few years, I predict that there will be a notable influx of BBCs, ABCs, etc to Hong Kong/ China to escape the countries harder hit by a looming recession. I look forward to meeting you all!

http://www.meetup.com/expats-HK/
James K. Li - Moving away Posted 15:52 on 31 October 2008
Interesting discussion here but it is nothing new. Chinese who have acheived high academic success in the UK have always moved to H.K and now probably to China and other areas in Asia. I am not going to say this is wrong. However, moving away from the UK because of racial experiences will only limit the number of chinese already in the UK. Making it more of a difficult place to live for the chinese in this country.

I think we should stay and some do. And some do well. But if you let racial experiences stop you. Then you have failed because racism exists for every ethnic minority not just the chinese. However, our small numbers of chinese and our tendency to be rather obnoxious or unpleasant towards one another does not help.
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 7:23 on 1 November 2008
Hi James, while I appreciate your sentiment, I think that staying in a country, which has a long history of oppressing other countries and races, to fight for equal rights seems like a futile waste of life. And like you say, racism does exist for every ethnic minority; it will never go away, there will always be racists and you can't change the way they think.

But racism isn't really the problem which causes BBC's to move back to East Asia. There is less opportunity because the network of professional asians has no solid roots in British business. Most of these UK companies have been established since the days of the Empire, the people at the top of these companies will know each other as family or friends for several generations or more, and they will continue this tradition before allowing an outsider (especially a minority) a high position within the hierarchy... This is the glass ceiling.

Chinese will have more luck in the US, Canada, Asia. England is a country which is inexorably tied to tradition, and has a strong pride in its heritage. The most you can expect is tolerance, but never acceptance.

I was born and lived in the UK for over thirty years, hoping things would change. I was popular, had plenty of friends, but felt that every new person I met was a battle... why did I feel the need to impress/ make them like me? Why not just give them the freedom to hate me? Is it not every human's choice to have that right?
pensggs - Making people like you Posted 15:34 on 1 November 2008
A newborn learns the first trick of survival; that is to 'smile' at about six weeks old. Many of us forgets this first trick that the world is an easier place to live and work in, if most people enjoy our company. Maybe we should start learning from the newborn the basic skill for survival. The motto 'Do unto others what you want others to do unto you'

Racism and discrimination exists even in China and HK. The reasons are different at different places.

Getting people to like you does not have to be demeaning. In fact you can be the vehicle by which you start to change the mind-set of those that are prejudiced.
Hot Chinese Chips - racism exists... just is Posted 17:18 on 1 November 2008
Racism exists everywhere. We all harbor our prejudices and hate. Certain races we won't go out with, maybe we don't want to date the person in the wheelchair, or trust the person with tattoos all over their body. It's really unfair to demand people have no prejudices, when all humans have them.

I've never played the race card in my life... I don't have a problem with it as long as people don't get hurt. I just say that if you're happy in the UK, then fine... but if the UK makes you unhappy, why bother to stay? The world is your oyster.
Teck Khong Posted 2:03 on 2 November 2008
I think there is some confusion in these columns over such matters as personality types (self-confident/shy, aggressive/timid, extroverted/introverted, etc), levels of integration/isolation, educational attainment, financial security, cultural differences, social mores and of course racism.

My concern is for those who lack self-confidence and under-achieve leading to difficulties in adjustment to the pace of life or reconciliation with the cultural differences and who have therefore become unhappy over time.

This leads me to believe that there is a strong case for a dedicated pastoral support organisation for members of the Chinese community.
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 7:02 on 2 November 2008
Teck Khong, have you ever travelled to the northern part of England?

I suggest that those who have never been there, do a day trip to Yorkshire maybe. Walk around town, it'll be an interesting experience for you, I'm sure.

This site, if I am correct, is for the British Born Chinese, is it not? Therefore, I don't see why there would be a problem adjusting to 'cultural differences' or 'pace of life'.

Teck, am I right in saying that you are not British born Chinese?
Hot Chinese Chips - forget what I said Posted 9:25 on 2 November 2008
Some people like the UK, some don't.

If you feel things could be better, it doesn't help by sitting around complaining about it.

If you want a leader/representative, and nobody wants to do it, then why not step up to the challenge yourself?

There's nothing that bugs me more than people griping about how they are not satisfied with their environment/situation and not doing anything about it, but sitting around and expecting others to do it for them.

If you feel that the Chinese diaspora need a leader/representative, then become that leader!
Teck Khong Posted 10:45 on 2 November 2008
Hot Chinese Chips,

I have lived and worked in more places than I care to name from the Midlands to Scotland and in fact I trained in Yorkshire.

It needs to be borne in mind that even if we are confining ourselves to the needs of locally born Chinese, there is still a large spectrum of emotional behaviour no different to that of any group except the racial difference can sometimes prove a source of difficulty.

What's ironic (as with Muslims and to a lesser extent Asians of other religions) is the paradoxical isolation from mainstream society. That is something that should be avoided, and forms the main plank for socio-political discussions.

As for my presence on these threads, I am happy to withdraw from future contribution here if the board of Dim Sum considers it inappropriate, and if its remit and involvement is exclusively for British-born Chinese.
Zac Zheng Posted 11:18 on 2 November 2008
Teck Khong,

As specified in the logo, DimSum.co.uk is for the British Chinese community at large, whether born in or emigrated to the UK.

Infact, a large proportion of DimSum volunteers are not British born. Some like myself grew up in the UK, others are Chinese oversea students.
pensggs - British born or British bred Posted 12:45 on 2 November 2008
My birth certificate identified me as 'a British subject'. I am not 'Britian born'and I am not 'British bred'.

However, I was educated in English, thinks in English and 'Chinese' equally; dreams in both 'English' and 'Chinese'.

I grew up on Shakespeare, Keats, Shelley, Byron, Wordsworth, Barbara Cartland, Dickens and Enid Blyton.

I was fed a diet of Cantonese operas, Taiwanese operas, Cantonese pop songs, Mandarin pop songs, HK soaps and feels at home with the history of England about Angles, Saxons and Jutes; and the Normandy influence.

Richard the Lionheart, Alexander the Great,Socrates and Aristotle accompany my growing years ; not forgetting the philosophy of Tao, Buddhism and Confucius.

I hope I qualify as a participant in this forum. Prejudice and discrimination starts by 'division' and 'differentiation'.

My generation in Britian straddles the void, and hopefully provides the 'Bridge' that BBCs can use to cross the two cultures.
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 18:07 on 2 November 2008
Prejudice and discrimination are not the same thing. Everyone is prejudice, that is human nature and how we define ourselves from each other, but discrimination is the act of unjustly reinforcing those prejudices.

BBCs have no void to cross; they are a part of England and entitled to the same rights as a native Englander. There is no apartheid in the UK, it is a free and democratic country.

There are those Anglos who don't see the Chinese as different from themselves, but there will always be those who do. That is my point... that prejudice will ALWAYS exist, and short of brainwashing, you can't change the way people think. You either choose to live with it or you don't.
aBBC - thanks! Posted 19:21 on 3 November 2008
Hi, Hot Chinese Chips, thanks for the reply above. Your comments "yau nell!" (got substance) as in the little canto-slang I picked up! Your comments do a rare thing for me in these columns, and that is you strike a chord, and intuitively I know where you are coming from, where some leave me a little cold.
But thanks for all the other contributors aswell, who have make very good important comments aswell.
Hot Chinese Chips - to aBBC Posted 21:01 on 3 November 2008
Thanks for your reply aBBC.

I think the biggest disappointment is being a BBC. Those who were born in Asia have fewer expectations in the UK. As a BBC, you grow up thinking that you are a son of England, that you would be treated as English.

It's like a slap in the face when an English person comes up to you, only to ask where you are from? And you never know how to answer that question because you don't know whether they want to know if you're Chinese or Japanese, or which part of England you live.

One summer, when I was a teenager, I did a canal trip around northern England with the family. I remember meeting a really nice couple, and we chatted as we waited for the lock to open, then five minutes later, they remarked, 'Wow, you speak really good English...' That might be a compliment to a non-BBC... but... :)

Yup, BBCs have higher expectations, and everytime you get treated like a tourist, it's a kick in the teeth! Has nothing to do with racism, just prejudice :)

Hope I made my views clear.
linda lau - full circle Posted 12:38 on 5 November 2008
some very interesting points brought up by various people on the Chinese identity crisis in the UK and about the need of some BBCs to 'go back' to Hong Kong/China, etc. several of the comments and arguments have also become quite heated. the ambivalence is clear.

i, however, find it 'fascinating', to say the least, that some are 'desperate' to connect to 'their own kind'. i thought everything is global nowadays and that we (whether chinese or otherwise) should have the confidence to be the best that we can (wherever we are).

i was born and educated in M'sia; a country with a multi-racial, multi-religious population. i speak malay, cantonese, hokkien, mandarin, english, french and am learning arabic. when i arrived in the UK about 12 years ago, i found that many of my english neighbours were ignorant and insular when it comes to other races and religions. yes, i've been through the patronising 'you speak very good english', etc, to the waitrose staff who asked,'are the chinese so clever because they eat the superfood 'watercress' and 'goji berries?' my answer to the latter was 'no, we just work harder!'

i've stopped being angry and defensive. instead, i resolved to treat the prejudice, racism, ignorance, whatever you call it, as a challenge of sorts. i will not let people, whatever their colour/race/religion, get away with treating me less than i deserve as a decent human being. if they genuinely do not know something about my race or culture and want to understand, then i will explain and enlighten. if they are just being nasty, then i will treat them with the contempt they deserve, regardless of their colour/race.

in a nutshell, i believe everyone has the right to get to where they want to be, or be who they want to be. cultivating a better/more positive attitude in dealing with adverse situations is by far more rewarding (emotionally and spiritually) than running away/escaping to some perceived 'shangri-la'. people should not 'ghettosize' themselves, especially in their own minds.

if you're genuinely happy to move to HongKong, China, wherever, to make a success of your life, please do so. but do not justify your decision by saying you will flourish only when with your 'own kind'. if that's not being insular, it certainly looks like it!
Hot Chinese Chips - this article pertains too BBCs Posted 13:16 on 5 November 2008
The article is talking about going 'full circle'... ie. those whose parents came from abroad and were BORN in the UK.. or BBCs.

While I appreciate your comment Linda, but those who are BBC, or British born Chinese, did NOT choose to live in the UK, rather it was a decision made for them by their parents. Now, while all your comments are valid, you CHOSE to come to the UK, that was your decision... and therefore, no doubt, the reason for your argument.

Many BBCs may spend their childhood growing up in the UK, but as they get older, they realize their independance and options open up for them to choose where they want to work and live.

It's not about 'running away', if that were the case, then every American is guilty of that. Most of the first generation Chinese who came to the UK, 'ran away' from Hong Kong in search of opportunity. The Irish 'ran away' to America to find riches.

Right now, China's economy is strong. The opportunity is in the east. As the US recession gets worse, we'll likely see a rise in racial tensions as people fight for jobs, and look to blame others.

Your life is what you make it.
pensggs - Your life is yours, period Posted 0:52 on 6 November 2008
Emigration or immigration ( a word invented to differentiate the host from the interloper ) had always been a strong survival instinct of the human race. Over 90% of the current inhabitants' ancestors in UK were once upon a time, an immigrant

The fact your parents is the cause of your existence in a country not of your choice is your problem; BBC or not; once you reached the age of 'maturity'. Citing the fact you had no 'choice' in your 'birth-place' is a 'cop out'.

Today, events in a country made by immigrants showed that a 'Posituve Yes' can conquer and change perception and assumptions. This is made possible by a man with no 'hang ups' about who he is and the negetivism of his 'birth'.

Of course, racism, discrimination and the 'glass ceiling' exists in UK and will exists in China; or whereever you happen to be for 'many and varied reasons'. However, citing this as the reason for 'not achieving' is a abdication of personal responsibility.

Todays BBC's are born in a kinder more generous world. Today's BBC are luckier in that their unique 'situation' made them very marketable as China required their 'unique situational' connection.
BBCs are in a unique situation of being the bridge for these two cultures. This challenge should be clasped with both hands; and thanks your lucky stars, your parents made you 'British' as well as 'Chinese'.

I agree with Linda, you start to differentiate yourself; then you should not be surprised that others will 'differentiate' you.
Hot Chinese Chips - admiration and respect Posted 9:17 on 6 November 2008
Hi pensggs, I have to say that I admire your tenacity and determination. I honestly respect you for taking the reigns and leading the charge, while most Chinese in the UK sit on their backside waiting for change or for someone to come along and lead them.

Like Obama, or Martin Luther and many more, who were a catalyst for positive change, and who did not just expect someone else to come along and 'save' them; they took the initiative and set about to alter the course of history.

I applaud you, pensggs, for choosing to be a representative and leader for the Chinese in the UK, taking responsibility to ensure that the community succeed on all levels.

When you decide to run as a member of parliament, you'll have my vote :)
linda lau - let's celebrate differences, e Posted 12:00 on 6 November 2008
I totally agree with you, Hot Chinese Chips, that your life is what you make of it. Blaming your parents for their efforts to have a better life elsewhere is a 'cop-out'. Just like the petulant child who shouts,'I didn't choose to be born!'

Emigration/immigration based on economics is nothing new and not unique to the Chinese. Every human being has the right to move to wherever they think they will thrive or have a better future. Aspiration and hope are powerful forces which can conquer/mitigate hardships. Sacrifices are the foundation for a better/brighter future.

I agree with you, pensggs, that BBCs should harness the uniqueness of their position; one that has the ability to straddle and bridge the cultural divide between the East and the West. Why can't you be both East and West? Instead of moaning about not getting exactly what they want right now, right here, on their own terms, BBCs should believe in their own specialness, bid their time, put in the efforts, to ensure they triumph in their personal goals, wherever they choose to be. Their parents didn't have the choice.

Barack Obama won't be where he is today if generations before him decided to go 'full circle' and stay there. They decided to conquer America, instead.
pensggs - 'Yes, you can' Posted 12:13 on 6 November 2008
Thanks Hot Chinese Chips, however, I am no longer have enough energy for the 'drive'. I was born at the wrong time, been at the wrong place; without the 'guang Xi' that the Chinese community in the major cities required to affect any 'credible change'.

I look forward to support the BBC, who has the passion and the 'foolhardy attitude' required for change to happen.

Today, what I can do, is to change the perception and the assumption around me. This, I do, with relish. If all of us do 'what we can', the trickle of water becomes a 'stream'; and the stream becomes the 'ocean'.

If everyoune of us wait for someone to lead the way forward, change would not happen. A 'sea of change' starts with a drop of rain.

So, Hot Chinese Chips, you are equally capable of 'bringing about this change'.

Being an MP is not the only route to bring about 'change'.

Start as Obama says 'Yes, you can' and a torrent of change will happen.
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 13:46 on 6 November 2008
Just to make things clear, I don't believe in allegiance to any country, or the centralization of power. I think that patriotism is a term invented by politicians to control the people.

However, I do believe that China will oneday be leading the world and therefore it is important for the 'diaspora' to return and ensure that China is a responsible world power.

Real change happens at the root; you can trim the branches, but it doesn't change the tree. I hope those who have been educated in the west, will return to help guide China for a better world... for everybody.
quietman - Is the west superior to China Posted 0:56 on 25 November 2008
Hot Chinese Chips wrote ' I hope those who have been educated in the west, will return to help guide China for a better world... for everybody.'

Does that mean China still has a lot to learn from the west?

China is now emerging as a Superpower and will rely less on the west, I think.
Edwina Lee Posted 20:36 on 25 November 2008
Racial prejudice is very subtle. It often takes a very long time to know that one is being deliberately treated badly because there are so much that are done without one's knowledge. It also takes a lot of experience by trial and error, and sometimes by relevation from events that the truth come out.

With so much uncertainty, it is not surprising that it is very difficult to talk about.
Londoner Posted 2:52 on 28 November 2008
Being a minority of the ethnic minority really does suck big time!
Sophie Chandler - Channel 4 reverse migration pr Posted 16:59 on 12 January 2009
Very interesting article and it is with that in mind that I am in contact.

I am writing to you from a production company called Ricochet. We specialise in documentaries and formatted factual programmes. Previous productions include the BBC series 'Extreme Dreams' with Ben Fogle, and Channel 4's 'No Going Back'. You can find out more at www.ricochet.co.uk.

We are now working on an exciting new prime time series for Channel 4 that follows the trend of 'Reverse Migration'. We are interested in 2nd or 3rd generation British Chinese families who are considering making a life changing move to China in search of a better life.

The series will follow four families as they road test a new life, in the country where their parents or grandparents are from. The family will re-locate to that country for a few months, with a view to stay on permanently and explore how their lives may improve. They will look at jobs and accommodation to see whether they think they could make it work. Alternatively, it could be people that are already committed to going, perhaps relocating with their job and are planning to move permanently.

We are very interested in talking to people in this situation.

I look forward to hearing from you. Please contact us on 01273 224816 or via email: sophie.chandler@ricochet.co.uk

Kind regards

Sophie Chandler
Anonymous Posted 6:03 on 28 November 2009
return to the motherland? get real. I'm BBC, the times that i've been to back Hong Kong, the Hkchinese people have always been f**king rude to me. Not so much now because I'm older now and they don't dare say anything to grown men and esp since they've had the jackie chan tourism advert where theyre taught some manners, but about 5 years ago and 10 years ago, 15 years ago, they raciallly abused me and treated me like sh*t. Hong kong is my motherland, its my ancestral home, sure, but its not my real home, I dont actually have a home, im not white enough to be british, british culture to weak to have an identity to relate to, hong kong are just capitalistic scumbags. I'm basically homeless.

You talk about discrimination by british against the BBC's in UK, really? and you think HK doesnt discriminate against BBC's? of course it does. Its just as bad esp if your cantonese is crap. Did you know for policy reasons, they wont tell you this...but you won't be able to get a job teaching english in HK schools if youre BBC because the govt want white folks to teach it, they want HKC to mix with westerners. Thats HKC blatant discrimination and racism against BBC's. Hong Kong can go f*ck itself.

linda lau and pengsggs are non-BBC..typical internationalist parasitic locusts. Many non-BBC chinese are just like them, they go from country to country, study in one country then go to another to study more and then find a job in other country. They're not chinese at all because they have no allegiance to any country, theyre parasitic locusts, who will take advantage of whoever and wherever they can and then finally most likely move to canada for retirement. They are scumbags of these earth, really no different to multi-national corporations who relocate anywhere around the world for cheap labour , low taxation etc. They dont give a f*ck about anyone or anything except themselves, they will probably have lots of sex and date and marry non-chinese too. As you have no alleignace to either your ancestors, your heritage, your country, your race, your family, you cannot be considered either chinese nor britsh, therefore I suggest you get off this site and join an international parasitic locust site.
chris - author Posted 18:11 on 4 September 2010
Please can DimSum tell me who wrote this article?

I would like to get in touch. Thanks

Chris
qfu Posted 11:13 on 30 December 2010
Britain is good for many things, but at the end of the day Asia is better for Chinese. Forget America the dollar is collapsing, along withe Euro behind it. Asia is the future, in the 1800s it was Britain, 1900s America, in the future it's Asia!
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