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Wednesday, 22 November 2006
The Chinese community in London was dealt another blow when Brent council agreed to the redevelopment of Oriental City shopping centre in Colindale, north-west London yesterday.

Just months after shops and restaurants in Chinatown Soho were dealt their marching orders by developers, the core of North London’s Chinese community in Brent came under threat from its new owners Development Securities who want to rebuild the shopping centre with flats and a supermarket.

Oriental City current serves the Chinese community, as well South East Asians: Japanese, Korean, Thai, Hong Kong, Indian, Vietnamese, Malaysian, and Singapore from Brent and further a field. It is one the few meeting places for these minorities and is often viewed as being the ‘real’ Chinatown for the community.

Each week it caters for around 10,000 people and is seen as a unique shopping centre specialising in goods and foods from Southeast Asia. At the hub of the community, it also stages events for Southeast Asian festivities throughout the year.

The Oriental City Tenants Association (OCTA) and the newly formed Save Oriental City Campaign (SOCC) are amongst those that believe the council and the developers have ignored their views.

Mr Yip Liu Fei, chairman of SOCC, said,  "We still feel that our views have not been taken into account and that we are being ignored - the gloves are off.

"We will now lobby both the mayor and the Government Office for London to get this decision overturned and we are consulting our legal advisers with a view to taking this to a judicial review.”

Development Securities Plc have not yet conducted any social and economic assessments or any race equality impact assessment with the Far East communities, the local community, or voluntary organisations that serve these communities.

Nevertheless, Brent Council gave permission for the scheme despite claims that redevelopment will result in a loss of 800 jobs. The proposal will also require many small businesses to relocate for up to two years, which could force them out of business.

The plans will see the traders share the site with a hardware superstore, a primary school, 520 flats, a gym and a GP surgery.

Work on the site is due to start inside 12 months.

The end of the community, or a blessing in disguise? Have your say: http://www.dimsum.co.uk/forum/.

Update: There is now an online petition for those who want to lend their support to the Save Oriental City Campaign at http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/save-oriental-city-campaign.html.
 
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burntbreadboy - The 'new' Oriental City Posted 17:10 on 25 November 2006
I've been covering this on my blog too:

http://british-chinese.blogspot.com/

Apparently the planning permission includes a stipulation that a new OC will have to be built to replace the old one. Do we believe this will happen?

I guess the more pressing problem is what the businesses will do in the meantime?
martyn dawe - oriental city Posted 13:53 on 17 April 2007
any news of the time scale, when is it going to happen, last time i sent it seemed to be thriving with new counters being set up in the food hall.
Steven Morrison - Oriental City Posted 9:49 on 9 December 2006
I'm quite upset about the future of the oriental City, (Closing). Councils-all they care about is Money, ther'er not concerned about Happiness. The wife & I have been going there for 10-12Years now, and no dought many other people have been going there as well, I can't emagine life without it?
Some Ideas, Why not get some wealthy people together/Governments from Various Countries in the Far East to Buy the Oriental City from the Owners/Council.
Also lets see the Archectural Plans/Planning Permission? to see what is proposed?
Tuan - This is AWFUL Posted 22:29 on 11 December 2006
God I hate the bloody council, you knwo all theyre interested in is MONEY, so many of them take bribes and backhanders and who suffers - WE DO the people and the community. The OC is the only place of its kind in London, what will happen to the businesses? Its soo not fair and makes me really sad and angry at the same time!
T KOZAL - SAVE THE O.C. Posted 23:58 on 22 January 2007
I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE SAVE ORIENTAL CITY CAMPAIGN FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. NOW I READ OF THE APPROVAL OF BRENT COUNCIL OF THIS MONSTROSITY AND I AM SHOCKED. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH ORIENTAL CITY MEANS TO ME AND MY FAMILY. WE HAVE BEEN GOING THERE FOR YEARS AND IT IS A LOVELY PLACE TO GO AT THE WEEKENDS WITH FAMILY, TO MEET UP, HAVE A LOVELY MASSAGE AND HAVE WONDERFUL FOOD. PLEASE GO AND SEE IF YOU HAVEN T EXPEREINCED IT BEFORE. THE PEOPLE ARE LOVELY AND NEARLY EVERY WEEKEND THERE ARE CULTURAL EVENTS FOR EVERYONE TO EXPERIENCE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES FROM THE EAST. YOU CAN ENJOY MUSIC, FASHION, DANCE, FOOD, SHOPPING AND ABOVE ALL, THE PEOPLE FROM THESE COUNTRIES. IT IS AMAZING. ESPECIALLY FOR OUR CHILDREN TO SEE ALL OF THESE SIGHTS AND TASTES. ISNT THAT WHAT LONDON IS ALL ABOUT?

PLEASE CAN I ASK YOU NOT TO APPROVE THIS PLAN. WHICH IS JUST SO OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER PROFIT MAKING RAQUET LIKE NORTH FINCHLEY S TALLY HO CORNER BUILDING. WHICH IS ALSO A DISASTER. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SELLING FLATS! ALSO THINK OF THE LOVELY PEOPLE WHOSE BUSINESSES ARE THERE. IF THEY ARE REPLACED OR REHOUSED IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AND YOU KNOW IT.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
LIKE MANY OTHERS CANT IMAGINE LIKE WITHOUT IT.

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR KIND CONSIDERATION.MAYBE EVERYONE SHOULD WRITE TO KEN LIVINGSTONE TO COMPLAIN TO MAYOR@LONDON.GOV.UK
Richard - Oriental city Posted 21:25 on 7 February 2007
Really upset about this. Is there anything that can be done?
Marcus - Oriental City Posted 16:23 on 13 February 2007
I really hope Ken pays heed and blocks this decision. I'm not Chinese or Asian but I love Oriental City myself. I travel accross London to enjoy the food court there. Is there another food court like that anywhere else in Britain? I don't know of any! Oriental City is unique and precious. There are loads of suitable sites in Colindale for a new B&Q. Why does Oriental City have to go?
Tian - Oriental Shopping City Colinda Posted 19:12 on 14 February 2007
I am extremely upset that this wonderful meeting place will be destroyed. I have been meeting my friends here for many many years and really enjoy the easy atmoshphere of the food court and the delicious food. There are certain improvements that could be made to the centre but on the whole Colindale is surely profiting from the influx of all the visitors to the centre. There are many other sites in the area where Brent could build there schools and housing and whatsoever they want to build. All I can say to Brent Council, please re-consider and save the centre.
Sue - Oriental City Posted 21:05 on 16 February 2007
Brent council has a vast majority of ethinic groups in the community. The council should encourage to bring the local and ethinic groups together. The OC is a place with different cultures, the foodcourt is one to be mentioned, from chinese to thai and indian to malaysian. So what do we want, more chains of Macdonalds, B&Q, everywhere is the same now, all chain shops, restaurants, pubs and even high streets!!!!!!! Where has the variety gone to. Do we want each town to be the same with no inspiration. We will be living like robots soon!!!! SAVE oriental city or we will suffer.......we don't want boredom, we want INSPIRATION!
Mary - Oriental City Posted 13:26 on 18 February 2007
Its appalling that Brent Council has approved the building plan. The loss of Oriental City will not just be for those living in Colindale but also for London as a whole. I really like going to OC for its food court because of its variety and diversity. Its not touristy as it is in Chinatown in central london and authentic. Im fed up with not being able to find any decent south east asian food places that offer authenticity and decent prices.

Yet again, money seems to be the motivating factor for the council. Its a sorry state of affairs.
Nick - Oriental City Posted 14:35 on 25 February 2007
Does any have contact details for the campaign chair or the tenants association?

I am looking to conduct some research into this issue and would appreciate as much info as possible.

Thanks
Wing - What a shame... Posted 12:43 on 28 February 2007
I came accross DimSum by accident, interesting I thought, then the news regarding Oriental City. I am far away from London or UK at the moment, but the last time i lived in London, i used to visit there. Something that you just put off until you're in that part of the world again. In a way it doesn't supprise me. I have a friend who always says "UK, great past, no future". I feel UK is fastly loosing it's community feeling. It's ok when you want to bunch people together ghetto style, but real places for communities to be able to experience something unknown are lacking. Who did they ask if this would be a good idea? Well I guess the only reason I had to stop off in that area will no longer exist. What a pity!!!
Andy - Oriental City Posted 22:31 on 10 March 2007
This makes no sense at all. OC is a place which it totally unique in Europe. I have been going there since it was Yaohan. If you look across the road which runs along the side of Oriental City you will see none other than a disused B&Q which has been empty for years. Why build another?
Why don't the developers buy the huge derelict site on the other side of Edgware Road and build whatever they want there instead?
Hang on though, go down Edgware Road a couple of miles and taking shape is the dramatic Chinese-Style extension to Wing Yip. If they has any sense they could re-locate all the food-court stalls there and maybe a couple of the restaurants. Problem solved.
K & J - Oriental City Posted 0:40 on 12 March 2007
Has the Council gone mad? They don't care about the local community. I'm not Chinese and its not only the Chinese community that uses and loves this place but everyone in the local community and further afield. Do they think that the local community needs another B&Q? I agree with the comments above. No doubt money is playing a big part in this. I suggest everyone sends an e-mail to Brent Council complaining on the link below
http://www.brent.gov.uk/OSS.nsf/62b8de57600a6898802566140061dec8?OpenForm
And also to B&Q itself on
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templates/content_lookup.jsp?content= /aboutbandq/contactUs/other-enquiry.jsp
May as well get as many people to complain as possible.
Darren - money over common sense Posted 0:44 on 12 March 2007
Destroying such a place as Oriental City will not only remove a hub for the chinese community but also take away another form of culture that I have enjoyed for many years. It would seem yet again that coucil's are making decisions purely on the £££££ and not on what effect it has on people. I do believe that if you remove such a place as OC and not put something similar in its place then we will all lose out in the long run.
Ben - Oriental City- Who to blame? Posted 19:55 on 15 March 2007
Against Development of Oriental City.
I have written to my MP Rt.Hon Steve Pound, Labour Ealing North and the British Muslim Council to no avail. The previous owner, a Dato ( equi. to Sir in Britain ) sold it to Brent Council.
Who is to blame?
Brent Councillors have their bonuses to look after. Do they care? No!
My family eats out every Sunday in Oriental City, celebrate Hari Raya with Joget Melayu dances every Hari Raya ( Eid- Muslim New Year). To all supporters, WE SHALL OVERCOME..FIGHT ON,DON'T GIVE UP! In Bahasa, LAWAN SAMPAI MENANG.
Has anyone taken this issue to European Court yet? I have no idea how to get in touch with them.

Regards,
Ben
Luke - Sign the petition by 23rd Marc Posted 12:32 on 16 March 2007
There is now an online petition to save Oriental City.

Click here to sign it:

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/save-oriental-city-campaign.html
JJ - save oriental city Posted 20:02 on 16 March 2007
I just think it would be a shame if oriental city was to be redeveloped into something else. As in most cases, the council will turn against their previous promises all for the sake of money.. They don't care about the ethnic minority as much as they say they do nor do they care much else about the current traders or the people who benefit from it right now. THEY JUST CARE ABOUT LINING THEIR OWN POCKET WITH MORE CASH just like the council tax thats always increasing whilst services is diminishing.
tyler durden - why Posted 0:49 on 25 March 2007
when is the arrogant council actually planning on closing oriental city? I travel into London just to eat and look around at oriental city and it will be a real shame if it knocked down
Londoner - Sad loss Posted 15:07 on 27 March 2007
I thought our mayor wanted to develop the important things like the communities of London, and to promote such things as diversification and rich cultural expression. I thought he was interested in adding to London's soul, not diminishing the character that has been developing over the years. But no. I'm obviously wrong, his main interest is to oversee greed and self interest at any cost. We need a mayor that can champion such causes as protecting communal facilities such as Oriental city.
John - O C Closure Posted 16:29 on 2 April 2007
Iam appalled at the council decision to close down Oriental City.I travel down from luton on a regular basis for the food court and Dim Sum restaurant for what is a unique experience.
Yasmin - You shut all the good places a Posted 19:21 on 6 April 2007
This is madness! JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I CAN GET PROPER ASIAN FOOD!!!
If you guys are signing a petition to save oriental city, count me in!
Ben - official e-petition Posted 20:03 on 19 April 2007
pls see web www.saveorientalcity.co.uk,
and sign the Official e-petition.
Claire Fun - Oriental City Posted 12:09 on 17 April 2007
I travel up from south Kent to visit, as regularly as I can afford to (its about 50 miles, and I spend A LOT when Im there!) - I certainly wont be needing to for another diy store (yawn). Arent they in every town now anyway? Anyone know when its closing? Im planning to come up for my 30th birthday celebration in May...
Will - Oriental City Posted 16:44 on 21 April 2007
I travel from Cambridge 3 or 4 times per month to visit the Japanese Supermarket and have some lunch. My wife also uses one of the hairdressers when necessary. We've been going there for 8 years.

I think it's a great shame that all South East Asians, who make up a significant part of the UK community, are getting treated so badly. And quite frankly, as a Brit, it's embarrassing.

People shouldn't take this out of context but it's probably due to S.Eastern Asians not having a political agenda. They represent no political threat and therefore it's seen as a soft target by Local Government.

The irony is that the Oriental Shopping Center represents a working example of cultural integration. I don't think there is anywhere else in the UK where, quite literally, so many different cultures are provided for under one roof.

In many ways it's a credit to the country that such a place exists - for these morons to now destroy it?

It make me angry to think about it to be honest.

You can almost hear the bureaucratic small minded moron arguing that; "Well, Tescos stock Japanese/Chinese food now don't they?"

...

What is going to happen to all the people that work there? I mean that place is a big employer right?

How many South East Asians are there in Britian? Anyone know? I remember reading there are about 50,000 Japanese but I imagine that the number of Chinese and others is quite a lot more. (I was supprised at the number of Japanese!) Does the British Government really care that little?
steven konrad - oriental city--multiculturalis Posted 20:56 on 11 May 2007
Look around the food court any time at all:you will see people of all colours and nationalities eating and enjoying the food of all the countries of the East.This place is proof that we can all get along fantastically,it is a beacon for the sort of society where we can share our diferences in a positive way.Typical,then that Brent council want to close it down.Theirs is the politics of strife and division and hatred,whilst pretending to be "oh so politically correct".
Bananagrrl - BRENT DOESN'T CARE Posted 2:11 on 24 May 2007
I used to live in Brent and despite 80% of it comprising of non whites, a fine mixture of Asian and Black, there was hardly any say for the Oriental community. I would hear racial slurs from the afore said races ALL the time-Brent is a racist area for Oriental people to live in and the closure of Orienal City is a blatant form of racism against the Oriental community. It's all very well saying that we have Chinatown but these thickos who claim to be from a 'developed' c***ry fail to realise or DON'T CARE that not every Oriental person doesn't identify with the China ( I should know, as a mixed race person I got slammed by the Chinese community for wearing a Cheong Sum on CNY). Lack of corporation between the Oriental communities is also to blame. Are we ever going to see a march comprising of Filipinos, Malays, Indonesians, Koreans, Japanese, Borneans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Bruniens and oh yeah, Chinese, marching down Traffy Square and giving out our delicious cuisines and making a show and dance of things to promote our cultures and stop this prejudice we face everyday? NO. So even tho, as a Chinese blooded person myself am heartbroken that we still face the same stupid xenophobic atitudes we did twenty years ago, frankly I'm not surprised nor am entirely blaming those daft Gwai Los for this crap we're going though.
Bananagrrl Posted 2:15 on 24 May 2007
By the way for all you smartarses picking on my grammer bear in mind that those were typo errors as I'm so bl**dy pissed off that we're still picked on for lack of proper English by a bunch of apemen like you!
ermmm - soo GAY !! Posted 17:53 on 18 July 2007
soo stupid why more house's just cuz uk is geting invaded by polish people send them back kinda gay reali or build a other origantal city else where do we acatli need more flats ??
a Polish person... - well, isn't it getting nice, Posted 3:34 on 19 July 2007
So you are arguing that it's all because of racist Whites and suddenly I can spot the 'Polish people invasion', interesting. And am I to believe all the above mentioned nationalities like Chinese, Thai etc etc have been here since the Celts?
And what my, Polish, people coming to England has to do with the ,absolutely ridiculous and regrettable in my opinion, decision to rebuild the Oriental City?
If you fight racism, don't act like a racist. And I won't even get into the 'gay' part of the comment.
And now to something totally different:
I keep wondering where do the shops move from the venue, maybe it's a good idea to make a list with new addresses so the regulars , or like me- those who came to London too late to enjoy Oriental City as it used to be before the fatal decision was made, could find them more easily?
Gladys - does anyone now of another go Posted 10:17 on 20 January 2008
Hi I have been using the hair dresser in colindale for years. As I am chinese, but I like japanese hair dressers as i feel chinese people cut my hair a totally different way to the way i like.Could anyone recommend me another hair dressers that is cheap?
Jack Hana - keep oriental city open Posted 5:53 on 27 March 2008
It is disgraceful to close such a unique place

James
http://www.stuffalert.com
Kirti - Is it really too late? Posted 12:19 on 13 April 2008
I should say, it's never too late.

A lot of people feel passionately about Oriental City, not only the people who work there but the people who go there for food, social events and to shop.

Destroying a community like this for food is insane. The new owners should realise that they would be better off leaving Oriental City as it is.
JJ - Closing Date Posted 19:41 on 5 May 2008
June 1st, no one knows where the relocation will be yet !
Lapsap - WHY? Posted 19:51 on 19 May 2008
B&Q like we dont have enough of them already. This country really is becoming a complete clone. Every city has the same shops. Your'e going to need a car when you go to B&Q anyway, so why not just go to the next one. I wouldn't complain if I could drive somewhere, less than 30 minutes away to get Char Siu Siu Yuk Fan, without paying the congestion charge.

I say boo to the gwai lo's from Development Securities taking away our livelihoods.
San - Oriental City Closure Posted 0:09 on 20 May 2008
The date for closure is June the 9th if the posters displayed everywhere are anything to go by.

In many ways i am sad to see it go, but at the same time the surrounding area craves redevelopment, Burnt oak is a pathetic underfunded pithole that should have been wiped off the face of london years ago, i think the bingo hall and furniture place should also be knocked down.

This section of Edgware Road was famous for being the place to buy a new car in london, over 6 dealerships have withdrawn from the area with more to follow.

My father bought his first new car here on his 40th birthday!

Oriental city has been falling apart for the last 4 years, the 2nd owners were greedy and were out to line their own pockets.


They thought they took on a bargain but really had no idea what they were letting themselves into

The air conditioning hasnt operated or been maintained in many parts of the building for over 2 years.

The inside is just plain dirty, cracked paint, broken tiles and stained ceiling tiles.

The karaoke bar hasn't seen a busy night since 2004.

I am chinese, british born

i have been coming here since i was a child, and over the years the building, and some of the food vendors have become awful, Many of the vendors have lost their passion when it comes to the food.

You do not see many chinese eating in the food court as much as there use to be.

My father knows a few people who operate there, they are upset it is closing because the rent is so damn cheap, the malaysian owners did no maintenance there for years after they bought it and when the tenants started to complain they threatened to raise the rent, everyone suddenly became happy again.

The chinese love to save a few quid, this is not a sterotype, its the way it is with us

We will put up with prettymuch anything if the financial rewards are there, if that means putting up with sub standard facilities, many of us will accept that, just like we did back home.

I welcome the redevelopment, a new food court would be great.

I am sad for those who will lose their jobs, i hope the new wing yip in cricklewood fill the void the chinese community are about to lose in north london.

San
Des - Croydon - OC Last Day Posted 19:48 on 1 June 2008
I was there today and the whole place was just buzzing... More so than usual i must say, which just makes the whole thing even more sad for me. I have been coming here for years, back when it was called Yaohan or (Bat Bat Boon for the Chinese speakers)and i never thought this day would come for this place. I believe this was the last bastion of a truly culturally diverse place in London. Nowhere else is there such accessible food for so many array of different people of different cultures, everyone eats together, sharing tables, talking to strangers and all suffering that same god awful heat that gets trapped in that place! The experience of eating there on a busy afternoon is rivalled only in asia for its intensity and sheer chaos.

I really hope there will be an OC2 somewhere in London as a replacement, it would be an awful shame to lose such a magnificent stage for all people to eat, talk and share together. Where else is there such cultural harmony in London?
joe rayner - RIP Oriental city Posted 12:57 on 4 June 2008
Oriental city is THE best place to eat in London. amazing food. I am saddened by its loss and more saddened that every trader i spoke to had no idea where they were going to go next. this is a travesty, and to be replaced by another B&Q!!!! like we need more B&Qs! like there isnt a B&Q only a mile away! this sucks big time. the B'r'ent town planners should hang their heads in shame.
jc - contacts for ex-OC vendors.. Posted 16:47 on 6 June 2008
Does anyone has the contacts for some/all of the stall holders and vendors in the food court? there is an event to do with the Chinese Olympic in August and my local council (Swindon -M4 J16) is looking to setup a Oriental Theme market/stalls in the Town centre - Power/Water supplies included. This will cost £10 per stall per day for 4 days. Please contact jimmy on 07803 926274.
hg - New Oriental City Posted 14:07 on 16 July 2008
Does anybody know wher Orientak City have moved???
Lis - Oriental City food stalls - wh Posted 22:19 on 2 January 2009
I also would like to know whether the food vendors or some of them have moved anywhere new - is there a place where we can eat like the Oriental City food court?

I agree with some comments above about Oriental City having become dirty and rundown but that's just like an old-fashioned Hong Kong style street market. And the food was proper Asian food - I'm not Chinese but I lived in HK for 10 years and was amazed when I visited Oriental City - it was like being back in Kennedy Town in HK where we lived.

Anyone know either where many of the food traders have gone, or somewhere similar in London? What Wing Yip in Cricklewood like?
Michael Hendry Posted 16:59 on 9 January 2009
I come to Oriental City every 2 months coz I have friends down at Colindale. And we go for Lunch @ Oriental City it's a really good Shopping Centre. Although i'm British I think we need to get a Chinese MP to stop the demolition.
Sarah - Oriental city Posted 10:52 on 19 January 2009
How sickening,they shut down oriental city last may, putting all those people out of work and now look at it! Its just sitting there doing nothing. It was a fantastic place to go, All the above messages prove that. I know they couldnt predict the credit crunch, but to make all those people unemployed when they werent going to be able to do anything with the building, well it just sickens me.
Jan Bednarczyk - "Future" of Oriental Posted 21:16 on 28 January 2009
I have to agree with almost all the above comments. There are SO MANY other long-empty premises scattered up and down the Edgware Road/Colindale areas.... why add this wonderful place to them? The Colindale (and even more so Burnt Oak) areas are pathetic nowadays - run down, depressing, just driving around there makes me wonder why the whole district isnt bulldozed and redeveloped. Of course, with the current economic crisis the future of the O. C. site looks even bleaker... As a nation we British seem to delight in throwing away the things and places we should we hanging on to, instead of constantly tearing them down and turning them into tawdry imitations of New York or Los Angeles... I dont think O.C. can ever be relaced, it was somehow just right being there. I can remember it when it opened as Yaohan; and in fact I took my future wife there as part of our first date... she is Filipina but hadnt been there before. She is equally as upset as I am that it closed.
Rik - Im really dissapointed :( Posted 17:47 on 12 March 2009
Early 2008 was my first time in oriental city. I liked it so much I came back there a few months later. To my surprise they are working on the whole building, so I asked one of the worker and I was told it will be open again in a few months time.

Today I drove all the way there again, this time it was completely shut. A quick search on the net and I found this :(
Edwina Lee - Oriental City Farewell Picture Posted 16:06 on 31 March 2009
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/edwinapl/OrientalCityFarewell#
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