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Wednesday, 13 August 2008

spanishteamDimsum has recently been disappointed by the amount of negative attitudes that the Olympics has generated in mainstream press and news. All over Europe, negative reporting has been rife but today this culminated in overt racism by the Spanish.

The Spanish Olympic basketball team recently posed as a team for an advert in a national Spanish newspaper. Both the men's and women's team were seen to be making "slit-eyed gestures" that no one, not the team members, the advertisers, or the newspapers in which the image was published thought would be considered offensive. For a country that hopes to host one of the next Olympics opinions range from seeing it as a considerable oversight, to simply shameful and ignorant racism.

The Spanish have been seriously warned over international racist issues in sports; most recently both football and Formula 1 but clearly such responses have had no impact on what is considered socially and politically acceptable. The Guardian may call it a "faux-pas" but for many Chinese this behaviour is more akin to the use of the dreaded 'N' word that The Guardian's left wing readers are so ready to shy from.

Reporting in the UK media about China and the Olympics has also been beset with negative stereotypes and gross hypocrisy. China the polluter, China the human rights neglecter, China the exploiter of Africa are just some of the few accusations that have been thrown at it. But fingers are pointing in order to deflect from realities at home. For a nation that is so fond of looking to the past for her greatness, reporting in the UK seems to have missed several vital things.

China is now the world's biggest polluter but is also the world's biggest recycler, whilst the UK has had over two hundred years of industrialisation, and significantly contributed to the environmental problems we have today. In fact if the developed world had the same pollution per capita as China then the environment wouldn't even be an issue in world politics.

If everyone had the same pollution per capita as the USA we would need several other worlds just to provide adequate resources.

As for human rights, the UK's track record is not so clean. In addition to sending its people to Guantanamo and other secret US camps, the UK has been complicit in recent atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has a rich history as a warring nation. In addition, today the UK is the biggest arms dealer in the world, selling landmines, bombs, guns and other weapons to the fighting countries that we see from the comfort of our televisions.

The Chinese may well be investing in African and building relations for its assets, but the British seem to have also forgotten the British Empire, in which many countries in Africa were raped for their people as slaves and their assets for British consumption. Instead of taking as the British did, China is currently working with African communities to build infrastructures for societies that continue to have problems as a result of the actions of the Empire decades previously.

The accusations and finger pointing continues daily against China, and range from accusations of swapping children singers, to a potential war through the use of (US invented) technology to disperse rain clouds. More insidious has been the visual links, with images of the opening of the Olympics coupled with imagery of tanks that clearly relates to the indelible imagery of the Tiananmen protests.

Paranoia may be one of the accusations thrown at this article, but Chinese and English friends have noticed an increase in such reporting and are dismayed by the uniform manner, both in tabloid and broadsheets left and right that this has continued. Is it really necessary to continue this barrage of complaints? What motivates such criticism - is it the lack of control, political direction from the US, spite or just plain old sour grapes?

Despite such attitudes, the Olympic Games may yet serve to break negative stereotypes of Chinese people. China has led the medals table from the first day of the Olympics, and this looks set to continue. In a move only paralleled by their rapid industrialization and ascension to power as the world economy, China has catapulted into one of the worlds greatest sporting nations. As an event, the spectacular opening, buildings, and medals, will be a hard act for Britain to follow in 2012, and signifies the pinnacle of Chinese achievement in the last twenty years.

The patriotism of the Chinese people in China and around the diaspora has not succumbed to such negative accusations, and in fact has only grown stronger. Whilst no country is perfect, China and her people at home and abroad should be very proud of the collective willpower to achieve such great success in all areas. As British, we should be generous in our congratulations of China's spectacular ascension and look forward to her dynamism and energy for change in the future.

 
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Kwok Wan Posted 21:46 on 13 August 2008
This article is idiotic and only exists to highlight the naivety of the writer (who doesn't even leave his/her name, I suppose too embarrassed by their rant).

It isn't good enough to say: "This country did this" or "That country used to do that". Those days don't exist anymore you have to get over it. Should each country hold onto the wrongs of the past? Where does it end? British Empire? Mongol Empire? Roman Empire? Or should we think about the future and how to do things for the better?

Countries now cannot justify their action on the histories of other countries. Or else we are heading for disaster. Ok, Britain and the USA have polluted in the past, but knowing what we know now, is it reasonable to pollute as much as they did? Is that really the best course of action? The USA pollutes so China can pollute. What kind of philosophy is that?!

The problem is, no matter what you think, China still does has a massive problem with human rights and freedoms. Imagine if you wrote your about post, and exchanged all the words about press to the the Chinese government on your blog. You would be at risk of being arrested. Do you realise that? And I wouldn't even be able to read it as it would have been censored.

Regarding that Spanish photo: how can you say that the British press has not condemned it? You have put things in context with the racing fans that blacked up to boo Lewis Hamilton. It is a faux pas because the Spanish don't think they are doing anything wrong. Is your self esteem so low that you're offended when people talk about "a chink in the armour"? I'm not excusing the Spanish, but it is more of a sigh of its relative racial naivety rather than an attack on the Chinese or overt racism.

And worst is this sentence: " In addition to sending its people to Guantanamo and other secret US camps, the UK has been complicit in recent atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan..." This is utter bullshit. The UK government has apologised for even allowing US rendition flights to merely land on UK sovereign soil to refuel. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7256587.stm

"Sending its people to Guantanamo"??! Are you having a laugh?! Please show your sources for this outrageous claim as I haven't found any evidence for this.

And "complicit in recent atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan"? Complicit in term of prosecuting the soldiers that perpetrated these atrocities? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4296511.stm Does that sound complicit to you?

I don't believe any political system is perfect, nor any country having a whiter than white past. But you should have self realisation before criticising another. To quote: "A patriot loves their country, a nationalist hates everyone else."

The reason this article makes me want to cry is that it is so one sided. You are guilty of the crimes you are accusing the press of. There is no balance and only a list of anecdotes and polemic delusions. The irony boggles the mind.

Instead of aping these other countries, China should seize the opportunity to do things differently. Not make the same mistakes of the past and justify them with history books but forge a new future. Take the moral high ground and set the right example.

I'm proud to be Chinese, but I think the country has a lot of things to sort out before I can be proud of China as a country. And as it is my country, I am unwilling to accept anything less.
medialies Posted 0:52 on 27 November 2008
Kwok Wan, i think you are very niave to believe that the UK has not been complicit in atrocities in Iraq et al. It is well documented that the UK have been assisted in such actions for example in Afghanistan, hundreds of Taliban militants were stuck into shipping containers in the stifling heat with 200 dying under the eyes of UK soldiers. You keep quoting the BBC which shows us one thing and that is that you have been nicely brainwashed. Its a fact if you cared to take a more indepth look at what is actually happening and would have realised the UK gov repeatedly DENIED any rendition flights took place from UK soil and it was only when faced with overwhelming facts did they finally come out and apologize. Please tell me when was the last time a UK soldier sent to the clink for crimes committed in Iraq or Afghanistan? were the soldiers who killed Baha Mousa convicted after a court martial? Also the UK gov has been known to cooperate with the US in sending people to gitmo, again pls read the news properly and not just look at what the propaganda BBC and other mainstream CORPORATE media tells you to think. Some are blind, others just cant see.
response - response Posted 23:36 on 13 August 2008
The article isn't claiming that China is so perfect, it is pointing out that the press shouldn't be so negative about it. Whilst China has problems with its human rights records etc, so does the UK and US and most other countries.

The fact is, that despite great opposition nationally, Britain chose to be at war with Iraq and Afghanistan in recent years, and certainly in the case of Iraq, this was done under false pretences. How can the death of millions not be taken into account?

Unfortunately no one is innocent here, but to point the blame constantly at the Chinese is damaging and hypocritical.

China has come along way, and it still has a lot of stuff to sort out, but that doesn't mean that it should be condemned for it's acheivements so far.
david tse on newsnight - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/e Posted 23:53 on 13 August 2008
he says: The programme produced some interesting commentary and has generated heated discussions amongst the British Chinese community, many of whom are angry and tired of the British media seeming to constantly indulge in China-bashing. A group of Chinese elderly who watched Newsnight told me that finally, someone British Chinese had expressed what they had wanted to say for a very long time.

You can make your own mind up whether the tone of the BBC2 presenter was impartial or if the etiquette of one of the other guest commentators was appropriate (the link above will stay online for a week, so it's best to check it before Thurs, if you're interested)
david tse on newsnight - link to short Posted 23:57 on 13 August 2008
the link got cut off, it should be
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00cwcvc/
Kwok Wan Posted 1:37 on 14 August 2008
I just watched the Newsnight clip and agree the old man on the right of the screen did seem very anti-Chinese, though there were two others on the show that defended China very well. The thing about Newsnight is they always have controversial people on to debate topics. I remember seeing Nick Griffin arguing with Keith Vaz once, and I'm sure the show didn't endorse either view 100%.

And of course people are going to say things you don't like and won't agree with, but thank goodness we can answer back and raise a racket.

Yes there were mass protests against the Iraq war. But I don't remember anyone getting hurt or the government trying to stop the marchers.

And I suppose that is the difference. If the situation requires, the press SHOULD be negative. The freedom of press is different from freedom of speech. You can libel in a newspaper/tv show and be successful sued (see Max Mosley, Kate and Gerry McCann) so the press does have guideline on fair and accurate reporting.

And though I can't defend the USA's human rights (considering Guantanomo, rendition and even the death penalty), the comparison of the UK with China is absurd. I can't think of any cases of people being arrested for publishing political writing nor journalists being arrested for writing blogs. I can't think of anyone being exiled for controversial works either.

Although I think there are some negative reports on China, I don't think there are proportionally more than for other countries. Perhaps there is more interest in China because of the Olympics so you are seeing more news in general? (I don't know if this is true, but bad news seems to be reported more that good news, so could that account for the upsurge?) I suppose 80% of the news is bad (war, murder, shrinking economy, etc...)

Is it really constant China bashing in the media? Did you see the Culture Show in China on BB2 a few weeks ago? Or the Chinese School series on BBC4 earlier this year? Or Paul Merton in China on 5? Last week, the FT also had a pull out section on Beijing.

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but as a BBC, I still find it hard to be proud of China, despite all its achievements so far. Like I said before, I want it to be so much better, and I believe it can be.
Kyu - cool Posted 1:48 on 14 August 2008
I admire David Tse, shame he didn't have more time to express his feelings.
Its great to see a bbc expressing what we should express.............
protestors on anti war marche - a response to Kwok Posted 12:02 on 14 August 2008
The reason you didn't see any people getting stopped by the government over the anti war demos was because it wasn't in the press!

Clearly there were people arrested, and the police can get very vicious at times, but this stuff is never put on mainstream TV or newspapers. In fact they always play down the number of protestors and call them 'anarchists', but that's not actually the case.

Freedom of press? Hmmm...

If you look closely, the article isn't really about freedom of press, its about how the press are taking one point of view - constant negativity towards China.

The same media bias as they have done recently over Russia and Georgia.

But if you want to believe everything you read in the papers, its up to you...
Kwok Wan Posted 14:11 on 14 August 2008
Well, I was actually at the anti war demo in London and I didn't see any clashes, though I'm sure you're right about a number of people being arrested.

If you remember the anti globalisation rampages in the late 1990s, the poll tax riots in the 1980s and the fall out from the Bloody Sunday shootings in Northern Ireland, then you would realise that the press have no reason to cover up anything when protesters, police and soliders have overstepped the mark.

I don't think it is constantly negative. Like I said before, the majority of news is made up of "bad" events. You make a good point about Russia and Georgia: the press aren't likely to talk about their fantastic schooling system or GDP growth now are they?

And if you want to believe every unsubstantiated whim and rumour that comes into your head, then that's up to you too.

But hey, I'm open minded. If there are some evidence, stats or independent studies that show the UK press are particually anti China in comparison to other countries when it comes to reporting then I will be happy to have a look and it might even change my views.

BTW: I'm going to stop replying to anonomyous posts from now on. If you have an opinion you believe in, at least have the decency to attach your name on it. I'm not here to take potshots from faceless trolls, but am more than happy to debate this topic, as it is something, like yourselves, that I feel strongly about.
medialies - re: Posted 0:59 on 27 November 2008
"the press have no reason to cover up anything when protesters, police and soliders have overstepped the mark."
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The press have every reason to cover up such matters. I have journalist friends who have been roughed up by police whilst covering legitimate news events and when they put their experiences to their editors they are always kept off the news agenda. If you want to know what press freedom is about maybe you could start by looking at the NUJ website which will tell you a bit about what type of problems we have with censorship and restricted press freedoms in the UK. My my, it really does seem that the age of innocence has yet to pass for some people.
banana - Racism Posted 20:58 on 14 August 2008
Hmmm...the topic has got about (intentionally?) sidetracked, no one has really talked seriously about the issue of racism and the Chinese community. Its a hot topic I agree full very strong opinions.
Its a bit risky and takes courage to talk about it with reason and open debate which perhaps this forum it not set up to do.
As a "BBC" of course it concerns me, but talking about and be respected is another thing altogther.
tom - Olympics coverage Posted 10:28 on 24 August 2008
I have just had the misfortune of watching the Chinese/Irish boxing final and I would like to apologise for the behaviour of British commentator Nielly ?most embarrasing.
He had already decided that the Chinese boxer was a cheat before the contest had begun , and continued the theme throughout the fight !
The BBC should be reminded that Britain has a large Chinese community - as well as Irish
shum - olympics coverage Posted 12:18 on 24 August 2008
I was brought up in this country and I have always defended the british press to my chinese friends. This is the first time I have watched the olympics and I am actually disgusted with the amount of bias against china. The commentators are negative. Each athlete regardless of what country they come from deserves the medal that they have won regardless what country they come from. If chinese athletes are doing well then they don't deserve the negative comments that the bbc commentators have been dishing out at every opportunity. Yes and if you want to argue about it, there are some commentators that are neutral but I am talking about the majority. I watched diving. The british diver ( the 14 year old) was happy that a non-chinese person won, what has that got to do with anything. If the chinese have skill and spent time into the training then they deserve to win as much as anyone else. There are lots of comments that are negative towards chinese athletes and that is not justified and frankly my respect for the bbc has gone down. And before anyone argues about that example, that is a mild example.
waiching liu - the olympics and racism Posted 20:25 on 28 August 2008
being a BBC myself, my loyalties were divided between great britain and china. as for the media coverage, well, well, well i don't like the way our community is being reflected- but neither do i support or condone how the chinese government treats its citizens either. china does this, china does that- i agree all this china bashing has got to a point where the british media are ignorant of the negative impact this has on the BBC community.

however, i despise the way the chinese government ignores human rights, freedom of expression to name. if anything, i am glad to have been born a BBC as opposed to being a native chinese because as a british citizen, i can live my life as it without the govt telling me what to do and looking over my shoulder, every time i access the internet.

i am proud being chinese but i am also proud as a british born chinese. we also have to realise that all this
'the uk media is racist towards chinese people' talk only feeds into the minds of neo-nazi sickos such as the BNP and their disgusting bile. do we really want that to happen and would we as a community tolerate that, if it happened? of course not
Kwok Wan Posted 23:36 on 28 August 2008
hi waiching,

i think you make a good point about the negative impact on the bbc community. despite my own views, i dare say a survey of bbcs will probably result in the majority finding the uk media racist, and this is a real problem and one that could grow.

i suppose my main problem with all this talk is victimism. if you act like a victim, you're treated like one. why is tom (two posts above) apologising? i appreciate he's just trying to be nice, but i don't need anyone to feel offended on my behalf, thank you very much.

and i'm not sure about the meaning of your last paragraph. do you mean calling the media racist fuels racist groups? or do you mean a racist media itself fuels racist groups?

there are always going to be racist groups and they will generalise from the smallest example (like seeing a 14 year old boy on tv saying he was glad china didn't have a clean sweep at the diving and interpreting this as the "majority" of bbc commentators being negative towards china.)

the other thing i don't like is i think this is crying wolf and weakens a word like racist. what about when we are really discriminated against? what word can we use then? you know, some people i know think people who don't like chinese food are racists. that just never made any sense to me.

and what do you think about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/jamesreynolds/2008/07/national_sentiment.html

i have nothing to compare it to, but think it makes a good argument.
Anonymous Posted 4:17 on 31 August 2008
The UK is a racist country. It time to realize that being a chinaman and being british dont mix. It is only one way or the other. Foolishly, when i was younger, I just want to be accepted by the whites, but they never accept me or my kind. Eventually u will know that you will always be a chinaman in this country, so be proud of your country and support china, the country that will only accept u.
mintpolo Posted 21:56 on 2 September 2008
unfortunately racism exists as a fact of life...BUT reasonable non-racist people also exist, its important to emphasize the other side of the coin.
All the important people I meet and care for, do not care about ones skin colour nor do i actually, a good friendly person is a good friendly person; end of.
IT is so naive to force these issues into a us and them mentality, are try to create one for whatever reason.
UK in many places is a wonderful multicultural country, in fact London is one of the most richest diverse cities in the (only?) world, a lot more than Spain. One notices the good in London is when they've travelled widely.
por lor pao Posted 21:30 on 4 September 2008
Just to add when genuine racism does occur to, don't be like our parents generation and let it happen, but voice it and complain.
recently someone used the phrase "inscrutable chinese" to refer to a Thai Bigbrother contestant it was considered inappropiate, that would not have happened 10yrs ago.
kickass Posted 22:16 on 9 September 2008
In a democracy it is necessary to make your voice be heard otherwise the elected politicians would have no mandate to act.
Jeff Minter Posted 20:06 on 7 October 2008
The important thing is to show them it's not right. I used to take an active approach to racism; if someone raised up the issue of my race, I defended it until he was well and truly defeated.

But then it became too much - it didn't just go away the older we got - it's at work, meeting clients, a company's staff, media, in the coffee shop, social clubs, bars - even when crossing the street - racism can easily occur and ruin your state of mind as a result.
It becomes too much for a single person to handle.

So I've began to just point out things when race is involved - a constant thorn
in their side. I won't take it to the end, but I'll interrupt them and bug them enough so they'll think twice.

Of course, the only effective way of driving racism away is through fear - blacks and asians have succeeded in this regard, by using gangs and weapons as retaliation. Not the sort of long term attitude I would want to take, but the alternative of facing a lifetime of abuse is equally grim, I would say.
BBC Posted 21:25 on 14 October 2008
Sorry Jeff that you feel this way, I think things have changed and have improved. I been to clubs and bars where I get no hassle whatsoever, I even been given the flirty come-on sign by non-chinese people, Gok Wan is right in many respects! it all about the right clothes, attitude and confidence.
I could be wrong but you sound like a person who has resources to change your life where racism is negligible or non-existent, but prefer to stay in comfort zone of habitual negative self pity.
As a BBC I am not dismissing your feelings; but the positive thing is that it doesn't have to be this way, if you are willing to change the things you CAN change.
Bill Posted 11:27 on 12 March 2009
Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, you might win but in the end you are all stunted.
Jeff Minter Posted 20:59 on 8 July 2009
BBC, getting a "flirty come on" is not a sign of improvement. If it was, I'd be saying the world was bliss and inviting everyone for tea. And I do hope you're a man, because it goes without saying that chinese women get the come ons by the bucketload.

Improvement comes in terms of treating everyone equally, I know we're all different in terms of appearance, culture, whatever... but improvement would mean equal respect for all potentially discriminating factors and treating them as if they were my own.
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