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Wednesday, 01 October 2008

Having been a larger girl all my life (I’ve yo-yo’ed from UK sizes 12 – 26 - I didn't have a good time growing up and used to comfort eat to take the pain away), I am tall though, and now at my fittest and healthiest at a size 14, I feel prouder than I’ve ever been at myself (and I look good!). Butt is tight and firm, boobs are higher and sticking out, stomach is flat. I train with a trainer twice a week for 90 minutes of boot camp exercise, including boxing and weights, then do another three sessions of cardio on top. Four months ago I could only run for two minutes without cardiac arrest, but now I’m up to twenty-five. OK, I still need to lose some weight, but it is steadily going down and I look good! And if you don’t believe me you can ask for references from some of the very hot guys I’ve been seeing in the past year (sadly, none of them Chinese).

I had to fly out to Hong Kong as my grandmother was critically ill and in a coma. Having not been out since I was a teenager, I had mixed feelings about returning to my homeland. But I looked forward to seeing her and really hoped that I could get to have that last face-to-face conversation I kept telling myself we would have. Also, as I’d get to see the rest of the family that I never see as we’re on opposite sides of the Atlantic.

I stepped off a wonderful Virgin flight to be met by stares from literally every Chinese person at the airport. I thought it was because I was in my nicest designer top, with my beautiful Zara jacket and new pumps. But then a few minutes later, realised that the stares were accompanied by frowns, or worse, snide giggles. Too tired after fifteen hours of travelling and just wanting to get to my grandmother, I decided to focus on getting to my destination.

I was met by some family that I haven’t seen for a few years and the first thing that came out of their mouth’s were ‘I thought you’d been training? Why are you still so fat?’. I was so stunned, I didn’t reply. When I got to the apartment that I was staying at, the rest of the family all laughed when I walked through the door, exclaiming how huge and chunky I was. Then came all the questions about my diet – ‘you must eat so much white rice’! (Actually, I don’t eat any carbs that aren’t wholemeal , and in particular, I’ve cut out rice). ‘Well, you must eat so much fat then’. (Actually, no, I don’t eat any trans fats or processed foods – only healthy fats in moderation, like everything else). ‘Well then, you obviously don’t exercise’. (See first paragraph about the weekly sadistic workouts).

Having been used to the politeness and general niceness of European people, where I live, this all came as a bit of a shock. But I figured, it’s just because they haven’t seen me, they’ll get over this by tomorrow, especially with the serious business of my grandmother’s health.

But I was wrong, and worse was still to come.

My first day in Hong Kong, I was met by disgusted looks by it’s people. Some would elbow each other as they saw me approaching, then dissolve into hysterics as I walked past. One point, I was so mortified, I jumped into a taxi only to be immediately told by the driver that he was afraid his car wouldn’t make it up a slope as I was so heavy, he figured the car would roll backwards and crash. Then after he finished laughing, he asked how much I weighed. Then proceeded to tell me that his sister is really fat and ugly too, so he knew how I felt. I remained as silent as I had been when I stepped into his cab. At this point, I would like to reiterate again, that I may be bigger than society and health professionals dictate I should be, and I am certainly huge compared to most size zeroish (UK size 4ish) Chinese people, but I am by no means, ugly.

Two hours later, I took a bus with my mother. Ignoring the looks of the passengers, I sat with my mother and was having fun discussing something funny, when I looked out the window at the car moving alongside. Inside, there were three men on the backseat. They saw me, pointed and rolled in the back laughing. Around this point, I flipped. I pointed right back and laughed hysterically at them (come to think of it, I probably was hysterical by then). That unnerved them for a second. I guess they’d never had that reaction before. Then I pointed at all three of them and gestured that they all have one inch (insert a rude word here that rhymes with ‘prick’). They were completely stunned and stopped laughing instantly. It’s probably the only time I felt empowered during the whole ten day trip.

I could go on to list every single degrading and abusive thing that was done to me while I was there, some by family (one particular family member who I am very close to, actually avoided walking and talking with me as he was so ashamed to be seen with me) but mostly, I was attacked by strangers. However, that is not the point of this article. When I managed to regroup and not get so defensive (which is hard when you feel like you are under attack just for being alive), I suddenly took a big look around me.

The first thing I noticed was, although the place was full of slim people, they were mostly short and unfit. Girls in particular were weedy and unhealthily frail, with many suffering from the lollipop syndrome, you know, when your head is too big for your body because you keep starving yourself. And I found none that I wound deem beautiful (but then I think strong, empowered women who have good hearts are beautiful). Men, well, let’s just say I was most stunned by the men who were laughing at me and calling me ugly – did they never look in the mirror as none of these guys would be winning any good-looking competitions in this lifetime.

When I stopped making myself feel better by mentally attacking my attackers (wrong I know, but a girl needs some vices seeing as I’m not legally allowed to use my boxing skills on them) I suddenly realised, that there were quite a few heavier people around. But then I saw how their demeanour was. They kept their eyes down, were timid and apologetic about being alive. If someone picked on them, they just lowered their eyes and let them continue. They let them continue.

The worst incidences were always in eateries or clothes stores. In restaurants, if someone larger was eating, they were meek as mice and terrified of making eye contact. And clothes shopping? I was taken to a few bargain stores that stock ‘fat clothes’. I was told I’d be bound to find stuff as no one in Hong Kong fits in them. When I got there, the sales staff realised I was foreign (therefore monied in their eyes) and targeted me. They grabbed lots of hideous clothes that they thrust at me, insisting that they would fit me. I told them I’m sure that that top wouldn’t but they disagreed. In the end, I thought I’d put it on just to show them I was right. When I came out of the changing room, they were joyously exclaiming, ‘see, it fits!’. The top was a size 28 and was enormous on me. It absolutely did not fit. Nor did it look good. When I turned it down, the sales staff were stunned. As I’d managed to get it on, they figured I would buy it. They actually were amazed that I was concerned over whether it suited me, or looked nice, while I was stunned that they couldn’t distinguish between a size 16 and 28. One confused sales girl actually asked ‘why do you care how it looks, you’re fat?’.

Apparently, in Hong Kong, if you’re ‘fat’ you shouldn’t care how you dress or take care in your appearance as you are, say it with me again, U.G.L.Y.

Remember school, and being bullied. Imagine if that was a daily occurrence of your life and there was no one to report the bullies to? There’s nothing you can do, and if you stand up for yourself, the bullies are offended by your audacity. FAT PEOPLE, do you not know your place?

Well, yes I do. I know that I am a confident, successful and beautiful woman who has a kind heart and would never abuse a person. I am savvy enough to know that a person’s worth is not dictated by the exterior, but rather by what qualities lie beneath. I have the intelligence to understand that the treatment I experienced is not acceptable in any part of the globe, but especially one that is educated and considered a modern, free world society…and one of the world’s top ten cities to visit (just remember not to come if you’re over a size ten and especially if you are also Chinese as you will understand what the people are actually saying about you).

I hate to say this, but I believe this to be another form of female oppression, the modern foot-binding that our ancestors so creatively came up with.

I leave you with this thought - Fatism is the only prejudice that is legally still allowed. It needs to be abolished just like racism and smoking in public places.

By the way, my grandmother came out of her coma and was delighted to see me, regardless of my size.

What are you views? Is there too much pressure to conform to the rights size? Share your thoughts here.

 
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Hot Chinese Chips Posted 13:26 on 1 October 2008
Firstly, I'd like to congratulate you for your weight loss and hard work in the gym. Also for the fact that you stood tall and didn't let people get to you, that certainly shows a strength of character.
I disagree that this behaviour exists only in Hong Kong. If you were in Venice Beach, California, US, twenty years ago, you might have experienced the same kind of prejudices.
The difference between Western and Chinese culture is that the Chinese are not afraid to speak their mind. Having grown up in the UK, I was shocked at how blunt some Hong Kong'ers can be.
Foot-binding is not female oppression, it was seen as a form of beauty, the same way that modern women wear lipstick, pierce their ears, or wear high heels. If you look at Chinese history, you will actually find that the Manchus tried to ban the practice of foot-binding. If you use foot-binding as an argument for female oppression, then you could use the argument that obesity in the west is also a form of oppression.
Besides, there are plenty of Hong Kong celebrities who are overweight, and who appear on television everyday, so there is not the same discrimination as you might expect in Italy where all the celebrities look like Ken and Barbie and whose careers depend on being 'beautiful'.
If anything, you should blame the West for exporting superficiality over to East Asia. You can see the influence of Western culture on the beauty ad campaigns in Hong Kong. Most of the younger generation want the American marketed 'Sex in the City' lifestyle, which is considered cool and hip.
Things don't change by themselves. If there are more people who think like you in Hong Kong, then the perceptions and views of the society will shift. But it will never happen if you continue to taint Hong Kong people in a negative light.
Chinese - Foot-binding NOT a sign of fem Posted 6:17 on 16 April 2009
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Foot-binding is not female oppression, it was seen as a form of beauty, the same way that modern women wear lipstick, pierce their ears, or wear high heels.

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Are you crazy?

Do not understand the effects foot-binding brought to the lives of millions of women?

The woman could not leave the house as her walking was so severely difficult, she also had to endure the many pains during the rest of her life such as deformed feet, the rotting flesh etc. It was not only a beauty standard but a form of physical abuse against women.

Speaking of the Western beauty ideals who mention here (lipstick, high heels), in pre-modern times those tended to be much more dangerous to women's health than they are today. Cosmetics often contained deadly ingredients such as mercury, arsenic (no laboratory-tested products as today) and the dangerousness of these cosmetics was well-known by that time. Also the high heels were way much higher in the old days, so that it made walking almost impossible for women.

I would say that all these practices are female oppression, harming the woman just in order to please men. As Western high heels and lipstick are remnants of these older practices, the Chinese obsession for "petite" might follow from the foot-binding practice.
Canary Posted 14:49 on 1 October 2008
I'm afraid my issue isn't the bluntness of how Hong Kongers speak, it's the negativity and the lack of free thinking that I experienced there.

I am not unhealthily overweight yet I was told to my face many times, that I should just kill myself because I'm am so "fat and ugly". I should die because I don't fit into one small island's ideal of beauty? DIE?

You say foot-binding was not oppression as it was seen as a form of beauty, yet isn't this exactly my point? Now we (I use this as the media "we") see size zero as the new form of beauty and all who do not conform are failures and do not deserve a happy life.

In Hollywood, there is a massive backlash on the size zero debate. Also in the modeling world. We could go on to compare this with the rest of the world, but the point of my posting wasn't the west. It was my homeland, my people.

The West certainly isn't faultless and are guilty of the same issues, however, the West does NOT condemn nor abuse you in the street, in restaurants, in airports, in hospitals - if you do not fit the beauty myth. And I remember how the first 'overweight' HK celebrity was dubbed and called "Fatty" thereafter. Not sure how progressive that is. If there was a Black celebrity in HK would he be called "Blackie"?

In addition to the abuse I suffered due to my size, I was also told that I could make life easier for myself if I just wore more designer clothing, then people would think I had money and treat me better! I was just so incredibly shocked by this attitude.

I understand how you feel that I am tainting Hong Kong people negatively, however, I am stating the truth of MY experiences. And my biggest issue was that as much as I challenged their thinking, I am only one person, and one "FAT" person at that. No one was interested in my career successes, in fact, no one even asked what I did for a living, they were too busy telling me to lose weight so I might be able to lure a husband. This is just incredibly old fashioned thinking. I didn't expect this from a modern place as HK.

It is very interesting though, how different, different countries ideal of beauty is. While I was in the womens market section of HK, a main tourist area, I had plenty of admirers and a gorgeous man who even asked me out! I must point out these men were Western though, English, American and Australian.

I really am sad that you feel I am tainting HK people in a bad light when I am actually revealing how abusive people were to me. If I wasn't as strong as I am, I would be a broken woman - there are far too many tall buildings to throw yourself off of over there.
Susan S. Cheung - Empathy Posted 15:28 on 1 October 2008
I empathize with the writer's viewpoint having grown up with enough comparisons in my lifetime from fellow Chinese in HK and in the UK.

I wrote about the negative impact of high beauty standards, including the weight issue in a features article for DimSum in 2007. Please check it out:

http://www.dimsum.co.uk/features/beauty-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder.html

Continue to believe in yourself. Your self-esteem and affirmation come from your inner belief and acceptance of your beauty and qualities, and nobody else can damage that even with their bluntness and hurtful remarks.

Warmly,

Susan
Hot Chinese Chips Posted 16:50 on 1 October 2008
I understand your argument, but you can't really compare Hong Kong with the West. In terms of political correctness, Hong Kong is about ten years behind.
You have to remember that it was only about forty to fifty years ago that Hong Kong people started to become prosperous and most of the population were living in poverty, their income barely covering food expenses. Hence the reason why obesity is not as prevalent as it is in the US.
As Susan states in her own article, the average Chinese size is much smaller than the average Western size. Native Chinese just aren't used to seeing larger persons.
Also I feel that after the British colonial and Japanese occupation took away what Hong Kong people had, in turn rendering them insecure, so they become preoccupied with maintaining wealth and health, and therefore always on the offensive before anyone can criticize them first.
kickass Posted 1:12 on 3 October 2008
Interesting story. When I was in HK earlier this year I was not aware that HK people took any notice of what people dress or look like. The only exception was when I was in a very up market shopping mall. I think you might have suffered a dose of travel fatique which caused you to over react.
Anna Posted 12:22 on 3 October 2008
Hi there

I am a British Born Chinese female and currently a size 14 on top and size 10-12 on the bottom. Many congratulations on your weight loss - it takes sheer dedication and hard work to lose any weight. Believe me, I've tried mainly times to lose weight due to peer pressure from the family because Chinese girls are meant to be petite dainty and subservient.

I completely understand what you have been going through. It's never nice being told face-to-face that you are fat. My Mum actually looked at my plate the other day and said I should stop eating so much. And I have given up counting the number of times aunts and uncles have come right up to me and say I was too fat and needed to lose weight (their daughters are between the sizes of 4-8 so I guess they felt they had a right to do so).

I was in Hong Kong last year and I didn't come across the rudeness and bluntness of these individuals, or I probably would retaliated with a few unkind words. My friend however who happens to be a size 16-18 was greeted with a number of looks, but I think this was more to do with the fact she was tall and had extremely curly hair which is unusual in HK. There's an unhealthy obsession with being tiny in most of Asia - it was the same when I visited Thailand and South Korea. If you don't need to visit sick relatives, then I would suggest going to places such as North America where they tend to curvaceous women, especially in California.
TaiJeck! Posted 20:29 on 3 October 2008
VERY entertaining good short story! ...I am not sure whether the bighead (tai-tau-hock) stick body thing is a unique HK gene because I've seen and have chinese friends (sorry those that know me NO offense intended) that have that body shape. I myself have a bit of a beer belly and still expanding, and I have absolutely no intentions of doing 1000 situps a day to gain a perfect Bruce Lee sixpack. I love my Dimsum and Chow Mein too much.
There are many things in HK that is so not PC including the taboo subject of disability. When I was in HK I couldn't believe some of the blunt putdowns that these people have to suffer even in some popular HK films.
I am not going to patronize and say beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc because a lot of people subscribe to that anyway. I not talking about Zoo and Nuts readers of course :P
Rittie2000 Posted 0:05 on 17 October 2008
Hi there,

I totally empathise with your experience. I grew up in HK and being naturally 'big-boned', I had been called the fat-girl to my face hundreds of times. Its frustrating when the name caller is a relative. But it is downright insulting when the name caller is a stranger. What amazes me is the Honkies' total lack of hesitation in taking the liberty to TELL someone how FAT they are. I don't understand how this can be a particularly entertaining thing to do. I am also amazed at the determined opinion that being bigger is a bad thing. Where did they get that from?
Fongpei - bad chinese speaker Posted 20:23 on 17 October 2008
Hey Rittie, I feel so bad and sorry having just heard what you said, from now on I going to stop people i know not to call people OH its "feijay" or "feimui" just like that. My friends usually mean it in a endearing way, still it not nice if its hurtful.
Sorry to diss Hongker's further, because my chinese is very bad they are well quick of the mark, to point this out and say OH he a gwaijay 5-sic-yeh! ...grief
N - It's not just HK! Posted 14:09 on 27 October 2008
Hi there,
How awful for you to have gone through that! It's good that you were strong enough to rise above it. Don't get upset, get angry! :)

I was brought up in a white environment where I am considered short and small. I've been between 8-12 and am probably 10ish at the moment (would like to be 8). I think as others have said, Chinese tend to be shorter than westerners so you can look 'fatter' if you get what I mean, even if you're a relatively small dress size, because you're short! It's a pain!

I remember the first time I went to Singapore, I felt clinically obese. I was a size 8-10. I'm the same now and went there earlier this year for work, and felt really a) giant (I'm 5'3) and b) obese. It's not a good feeling, especially when you're used to feeling fairly small - it must have been awful for you.

I think the thing is, size 14 is 'big' for a Chinese woman but it's not considered unusual in the UK, so of course it's going to be a shock to you. The other thing I have noticed - not being 'proper' Chinese myself - is that some of the Chinese people I have met have been VERY blunt. So perhaps it is a cultural issue. I don't think this is right and it sounds like you had absolutely awful treatment, but it may go some way to explaining it.

I don't think it is just about size, however. I was shocked to see skin whitening cream in Singaporean drug stores. And when I tried to buy some makeup at the airport, I realised they didn't have any 'dark' enough to suit my skin tone! (I have lighter skin than many white people, with all their fake tan!) I think it is a different conception of 'beauty' than in the West - and there are negative aspects about both.
HOLLY Posted 13:39 on 13 November 2008
GUTTED
violet Posted 7:02 on 17 November 2008
I'm shocked at your experience in Hong Kong. I myself haven't been there for over 20 years (I'm a NZ-born Chinese). Back then, I had to buy size Large clothes, and I was only size 12 (but only 5' tall)! Thankfully nobody said I was fat, to my face. But bluntness probably is a cultural thing - I've been unknowingly blunt myself on occasion, and my elderly mum (who hasn't lived in HK for 50 years) still tells people they are fat. Not to their face, but certainly within hearing.
Lily Posted 5:58 on 19 November 2008
I've often felt "fat" despite being a UK size 10/12 and being a healthy weight. A number of Chinese students come to study in the city where I live and they are all very skinny. I am an elephant in comparison with them! A few years back when I went to Hong Kong with my family I found the clothes in the shops really tiny, and the underwear - the bras - far too small!!!

My mother always tells me I am fat when I visit her, but then she tries to feed me so much food. My mother nags my sister to put some weight on because she is so thin (she has Crohns). I agree with Violet, the bluntness is a cultural thing. My mother keeps reminding my husband that he is bald!
ShortyStoriesGal - Hong Kong Posted 22:57 on 19 November 2008
Yeah, people in Hong Kong can be obsessed with sizes. My mother isn't considered big at all (I think she's an 8 (US - size 12 UK) or so), yet a few years ago, a sales person in Hong Kong suggested that she shop at the plus department. Yeah. At size 8.
kiki - not just HK Posted 22:11 on 7 December 2008
So sorry to hear your story. But so true, I went to HK this summer and sat next to me on the plane was a student from GZ china. When I told her I was a BBC she was shocked her words were "you don't look like it, you're skinny. The chinese girls here are so fat" She then went on about how the food here makes it so hard to stay slim which is why she hated studying here! It was the first time I experienced yellow upon yellow fatism, though even not directed at me I could see how shallow they are over there. In taiwan they were the same, obsessing over my pale skin ("England must be so good, no sunshine I wish I could be so pale") and my weight "Don't you eat burgers like the other British girls?"

yuk, stay here where you can be adored for being the curvaous sexy women you were born to be!
misssophia - uh fat? Posted 15:07 on 22 January 2009
Interesting article! I am half Chinese, so I wouldn't say I have a 'typical skinny Chinese' figure- I am a slim and healthy size 8. I am little embarassed to say I have never been over to China or Hong Kong, nor do I have many Chinese friends. However I did a job once where I met several BBC's who were telling me about Hong Kong and the lifestyle over there. I love the bluntness of the Chinese- one girl looked me up and down and said "oh yes, you would definitely be fat over there."
being u Posted 0:09 on 29 August 2010
Hi,
Well done on your weight lost, it's one of the toughest task!
I'm a BBC too. I left home at 23, size 10 top & bottom, bust at 34c. I had 2 part-time jobs (day and night job). At 24, I was a size 8 top & bottom, bust 32b and obvious when i went back to HK for my brother's wedding, no one took notice. By the age of 27 I went back to HK with my english boyfriend (we live together at this point)
I was a size 12-14 and can't believe my bust size shoot up to 34dd! I recently lost 1 stone (was 9st9, now 8st9) with still the same bust size and still wear size 12!

2 chinese woman gave me real bad looks! I was really shocked at the way they looked at me, they looked horrified!!!
With the humidity, it's not a good idea to wear fitted tops. To fit in I might have to wear XXL tshirt to hide them!
I was on the train, there was a few school girls standing in front of us, made it really obvious by nudging their friends and looking at my chest! so obvious they were giggling cause of my bust size..!
I bought a top in Stanley Market, it was a XXL! few tank top size L!
Not many chinese girls have a 34dd, apart from my BBC cousin also big chested I'm not sure if she get any problems.
Went wondering round this Jade Market, I was too busy browsing round only bit later after we left the market my boyfriend witness one chinese man on the last stall, stood up and tip toed and tried to peek down my top as i walked passed! my top was low cut but not but no cleavage showing! Dirty old perverted man!!

Find HK people are very shallow & pathetic! I have relatives in HK and just on the across the border of HK & Shenzhen and met most of my relatives at my brother's wedding and shockingly not one young person is pass the size of 12!
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