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Sunday, 14 October 2007

When you eat sensibly and moderately, ride your bike for approximately an hour everyday and are sure that you are a healthy, suitable weight, should you listen to it when people call you fat?

No, of course you shouldn't.

Might it start to irritate and upset you?

Perhaps, if a friend of yours has taken to calling you "fatty", and poking you in the stomach every time she sees you.

What about when someone at work tries to tell you that he is concerned that you might have been putting on a little weight recently?

Perhaps more tolerable, if he hadn't used the method of blowing up his cheeks and saying "Poppy, why is it that every time I see you seem to be fatter and fatter?" at the top of his voice in front of twelve of your workmates first thing on a Monday morning to convey that information.

In what must be one of the most food-obsessed nations in the world, where a common greeting is "ni chi fan le ma?" (have you eaten yet?), in a city such as Beijing where you can hardly turn your head without staring directly at some kind of high-carb, high-calorie baozis, jiaozis or jianbing, (steamed bun, boiled dumpling or fried pancake) and where an average family will get through an industrial sized bottle of cooking oil in a month, maintaining a chopstick-thin physique seems to be nevertheless both desirable and achievable for most Chinese girls.

While Chinese men and women seem to have a much higher bodily awareness than their western counterparts, their concept of what constitutes as overweight is also a lot more unforgiving. On top of this, such a taboo in the West as telling someone they are fat seems to be regarded as a perfectly appropriate and friendly conversation-starter here, as innocent as commenting that they have had a haircut.

But for Western women, who are naturally often a little more curvaceous than the Chinese, and who may well have grown up in cultures where fuller figures are seen as the normal and beautiful female form, the impact of personal comments made by Chinese can range from shocking to completely soul-destroying. Whether you can develop a thick skin and self acceptance enough to deal with such taunts is the make or break factor of whether you can qualify for long-term residency in China. However, for most girls, it seems to be more a question of either shaping yourself up or shipping yourself out.

To be a fat in China is to feel belittled, mocked, ridiculed and subject to overwhelming scrutiny. While Pangzi or Pangpang, two ways of saying "fatty" undeniably carry affectionate undertones, they hardly leave much room for the addressee to maintain his or her dignity.

Chinese men seem to be able to carry extra body baggage better. My old flatmate even told me how her brother spent two months gorging himself on fattening foods with the sole purpose of filling out, in order to make himself look more mature and distinguished to gain acceptance in the business world. For a woman, this would never wash.

More than a twig wider than a branch and you feel physical judgement entering your everyday life. Sales assistants in boutiques look you up and down before they even let you enter their shop and will flatly refuse to let you try particular items of clothing "in case you rip or stretch it". With most clothes only available in miniscule sizes, a routine shopping trip always has the potential of turning into a brutal confidence annihilating session.

If you are meeting with a Chinese friend who you haven't seen for a while, before you can start to catch up, you must wait while they size you up and pronounce whether weight has been lost or gained. And if the verdict is gain, you must learn to accept it graciously, with a nod and a smile, because the bottom line is that they are concerned about your health and their comment is nothing more than an expression of relief that you have not withered away into nothing. As a westerner, with the different cultural slants and stigmas we place on such matters, it is hard not to get in a strop with a friend who says you have become fat. You might well regard the fact that they spend the rest of the evening trying to coax you into eating more food as behaviour that is vindictive and two-faced.

Having lived in Beijing for a year now, I feel I have got through the worst. Having danced with the idea of dangerous dieting, I now acknowledge that for me the Chinese-version of the body beautiful is unobtainable and that the "half an apple and small bowl of rice" diet is neither healthy nor satisfying. On saying that, returning to England for a visit last month, I was shocked to discover that my concept of what is a normal and acceptable figure has changed notably, as I found I was using the Chinese standard of the body beautiful to measure up my own country people's physique. While I refuse to spend my days yearning for an unfeasible waif-like figure, I believe that carefree days of guilt-free chocolate digestives and regarding a size 12 as petite are well and truly gone.

Poppy Toland
 
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nivos - fatness Posted 11:13 on 16 October 2007
aah i feel your pain. except i don't think its just using a chinese 'norm' which affects your perception when you go home. people in the uk actually are, most definitely, on average at least, fatter than they were a few years ago.
chocolate - thin Posted 19:28 on 17 October 2007
hmm...the "chinese" also openly comment if one is getter thinner, not necessarily as a compliment, but concern as if one may be experiencing some trouble in life. They also not inhibited in their displeasure if one does finish a bowl of rice, funny!
Jeff Posted 17:36 on 27 October 2007
The "chinese" (don't know how you can generalise the opinion of 1.5 billion people, but there we go) perception of fat is the same as the western one, they just simply haven't been conditioned to feel good/keep quiet about it like over here, where diets, TV shows and media in general have given fat people the confidence to do something about the way they are, or even be content with it.
cluless Posted 3:19 on 12 November 2007
whats the finishing the bowl of rice etiquette?
chips & rice - plate & bowl Posted 11:49 on 14 November 2007
just a general etiquette - be it a western or eastern dishes, on plate or bowl, don't waste it :)
ricebowl Posted 17:23 on 30 November 2007
yeah...
finishing a bowl of rice when the food is "bad", is like saving face for the bad cooker.

fantun :D
wong.s - fat in china Posted 8:29 on 1 December 2007
Poppy,

You are right it is a culture thing.

It is a term of endearment as well. Saying someone growing fat, could also mean that one is previlege to have a good life, plenty to eat and keeps a good weight.

Saying to someone that he/she is getting thin could mean that one is concern about his/her health or not getting enough to eat hence getting thin.

What is a good figure in China? It is all subjective.
braga - hmmm Posted 3:22 on 1 July 2008
Is everything fair game in China? For example, can you comment on someone's complexion? If someone's face is broken out, can you point out their pimples in front of a group of strangers and then say you're just worried about their health? Can you comment on a man's thinning hair, "My, how thin your hair is getting. Next time I see you, you'll be bald!" Can you comment on a person's height? "What a shortie you are! Are you eating enough protein?" Can you comment on a person's teeth? "I'm worried about how gray your teeth are getting. Is your health okay?"

In other words, is it only fair game to puff up one's cheeks and tell someone she's getting fatter and fatter every time you see them? Is it just fat that's okay to comment on? Or can you comment on anything? If not, why not? Why just fat?

I personally think it's a lot about control (on the part of the person who's doing the sizing up). Also, I think that in the past there was a good deal of envy involved. If a person was plump, meaning that they made a better living than the next guy, the skinnies would call out the fatties due to jealousy, and then it became part of the cultural "norm."

Also, I read an article once in a journal of traditional Chinese medicine (I think), about how Chinese people don't, in fact, like it when their friends comment on their weight. And why should they? Why should anyone?
Ramon Fernandez - well Posted 13:15 on 6 October 2010
I think its an excuse to slack...although a chop stick girl seems to be what they want they also seem to have a big boob obsession... So u can always compensate with that...failing that... slap them and see where that goes...but if someone calls u fat...just call them ugly..
now stop slacking and start running..
taile Posted 7:20 on 4 December 2010
Very good article!! And very true-- I lived in Sichuan for a year while studying Chinese, and being cheerfully greeted with "you look fat today!" was definitely a bit of a shock. I ended up losing about 20 lbs, though, since Sichuan-style food is so SPICY! I could only have a little bit at a time. Unfortunately, Beijing is a much more starchy, carb-filled place, so that's not the case over there.
Josiah - Fat in China Posted 2:01 on 2 January 2011
This article is so spot-on. I have always had a wide waist and plump belly despite vigorous regular exercise and moderation with food. My arms, shoulders, chest, legs are all quite toned and muscular. But to walk in Begjing, you would think the circus fat man had come to town! Total strangers would come up to me, put a hand on my stomach and tell me "You so fat!"

I eventually just went with it and began expecting it like a celebrity, lol...
missing western food Posted 15:33 on 15 January 2011
I don't know, I really am fat and i rarely get called fat. So I guess you can take people calling you fat as a sign that you aren't really fat. Usually on the rare occasion someone does call me fat, If I am in a good mood I tell its because the food in China is so good, then I tell them I am probably the only foreigner in china to ever gain weight after coming to china. If I'm in a bad mood, well lets just say I have several methods of dealing with them if I am in a bad mood.
George - Take that! beat them at their Posted 10:18 on 29 April 2011
When they call me fat I tell them that I am much richer than them. I then laugh at them and their poorness. They really don't like that one.
Kara Brouillette - the worst of it Posted 8:51 on 1 June 2011
I can totally relate to this article. Having a Chinese boyfriend in Beijing who sweetly reminds me that I'm a bit bigger than "what he's used to", or the worst...that my butt shouldn't be bigger than his (when I weigh in at a healthy 120 pounds! come on!) it's exhausting, I constantly bike and swim.. diet diet diet. It's discouraging when I see all my super slim employees chowing down on a big greasy lunch and I'm left nuturing an apple for the rest of the day. Worse, meeting the parents and as soon as saying our hello's the automatic follow up is the remark to my size- where the whole family seems to gather around and ponder if I gained a little since the last time we met.
3 years and just starting to find ways around it, I shrug and accept the comments- sometimes try to kiss ass by beating them to the punch and saying "wow you look great! you lost some weight?", most of the time the reply is "thank you, you look good too" and I'm settled with that :)
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