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Thursday, 05 November 2009

 Let’s Go! Oriental Angel was a contrived, twee and saccharine attempt at an X-factor style show in the mainland this year, designed to be good family TV that can be followed with utter fanaticism by China’s huge evening audience and then promptly forgotten about afterwards in readiness for the 2010’s teen pop idols. However, one particular contestant caused an uproar which is quickly going international.

Miss Lou Jing, representing Shanghai, is a mixed race Shanghainese girl, her father is African American and her mother is Chinese. Her mother was made pregnant and her father left to return to the US, she was raised by her mum and grew up in Shanghai living the life of a normal Shanghainese girl who is loved by her family and friends, and playfully called Xiao Hei (Xiao Hei means little black, and is a dimunitive much like negrita in Spanish, it’s not racist). She, like most teenagers, had dreams of star hood. 

 

Reactions to her have been both positive and negative, if one were to be diplomatic. Her detractors are up in arms about her mum’s “disgraceful” behaviour: cavorting with the foreign devils and raising a mongrel which came of her immoral lifestyle, many refuse to accept that she is Chinese and think she is African. Very hurtful statements were made against her such as "How comes she wasn't born a zebra" and particularly her “slutty, thick skinned, race traitor bitch of a

mother”. On the other hand many jumped to her defense, many netizens thought she was brave, beautiful (she is pretty fit actually) and many “In this Obama age…” responses were posted in response. Someone even went through the effort of posting a falsified response in her name threatening to sue, which only escalated this war of words. Just another day on the internet.

 

What’s interesting is the international response that soon followed, apologists and China bashers have come all over to express their 2 cents. As if on cue the white liberals and the black nationalists jumped all over it. Milder statements from "they’ll have to learn to do better" to the more offensive ones "these ignorant, xenophobic Chinese are showing their true colours" to the more extreme ones "the Chinese are Blacks, and they just don’t know it, how very sad it is that they don’t recognise that without Kemet, there would be no China." Other posters have suggested she moved to London or Paris, where she will be adored as she is of an “interesting” ethnic mix.

 

This is all a very interesting contrast to 2005 when all Chinese media were showering adoration on Miss Mwamaka Sharifu Lali, a Kenyan girl who discovered she has Chinese blood from 600 years back went (back?) to China to take advantage of a scholarship and a spot of root-finding. All that positivity from the 600th anniversary of Zheng He's voyage left China busy and contentedly patting itself on its back, Miss Lali was made every front page big and small in China but never not a single western (or indeed Kenyan) paper.

 

What’s more interesting of course is the context, after all Blacks in China are nothing new and are accepted in some areas of life without anyone batting an eyelid: albeit this is restricted to trade fair buyers, English teachers, students of Chinese, RnB club DJs, basketball players in the CBA, football players and of course, drug dealers for white expats. Many cities of China have fledgling international districts, and in early mornings you can see Black, White, Arab and Chinese children all speaking the same local dialect, going to school together, and getting up to no good in the same little

crews in the evenings. I of course exclude the hordes of Caribbean Blasians from this picture; they have been uniquely comfortable enough for the last 200 years in their own uncomfortable indentity crisis.

 

Of course this brave new Blasian past, present and future hasn’t been all fun and games, Racism definitely exists, definitely; but since most Blacks in China are very rich by Chinese standard this is generally left at the level of “you look like 50 cent, are you related?”, “just don’t marry one” and lots of uninvited hair touching.  More serious Black and Chinese antagonisms in China do exist too and periodically explode. China under Mao was happy to arm African nations against colonial powers and educate its engineers, officers and doctors. This internationalism was militantly expressed in free

travel, accommodation and tuition for our brave coloured allies. Sods law dictates that nothing good lasts for long, and in 1988 Nanjing University exploded with anti-black riots. These are now widely recognised as a precursor to Tiananmen square, as the sentiments went from “they took our women” to “subsidies for locals, not internationals” until finally “free press and human rights”. Of less world-shattering influence is the 2007 drug raid in Beijing’s hip Sanlitun bar district, which led to the Somali ambassador’s son being beaten senseless by overzealous police officers and another tally

being added to the “not too proud moment for China” list. Most recently Guangzhou saw energetic protests last month by hundreds Africans who were complaining against the heavy handed immigration raids which alledgedly led one overstayed African to jump to his death in a bid to escape deportation (though this was later found out to be nothing more than a rumour).

 

Back to Miss Lou Jing, this poor little 19 year old with limited English has conducted herself with absolute grace and dignity in the face of everything. She has been crucified somewhat by her mixed blessing of receiving the role as the poster child for a China trying to come to terms with it’s own growing cosmopolitanism, and an outside world hungry for information but is willing only to see her experiences through its own narratives and paradigms. Congratulations and sorry!

 

There is a calmer picture and truth is hidden behind all the hype.  Once again, someone led the blind monks to the elephant. People who know very little about China are talking about China like expert sinologists again, with the usual dose of ethnic essentialism, bad humour and muddle minded ignorance. The blame goes back to China Smack. It’s the only portal for which English speakers can catch a glimpse into the gutter press of China, the BBS recluses of the dregs

of an e-generation with no social skills beyond idol worship a la Perfect Blue style, instigating human search engine lynchings, and trying to divide their nationalism between the People’s Republic and Manchester United in an intellectually sustainable way. These posters are a breed far apart from the normal netizen’s routine of seeking the latest drama on Youkou, playing World of Warcraft and chatting to each other on QQ. It’s “articles” should be taken with a sociological

distance and mild amusement not unlike how one would approach a youtube comment thread. It wasn’t until racial issue based blogs picked up on this translated story that started the United State’s netizens on one of their favourite edgy topics. Next thing you know, TIME magazine, Der Spiegel, French & Italian tabloids are all over it, the print media never made this much fuss when these comments thread warriors were calling for all ethnic Koreans in China to be killed or

that in a fight, a Shaolin monk would definitely beat a ninja. This whole episode really is more about the social life of information rather than Miss Jing, Black people or China.

 

I talked with my granddad about it and finally got as close to the authentic Chinese response as you will find, with a sagacity well tempered by age, he told me that both himself and grandma thought she wasn’t much of a singer - another tone deaf pretty face for us to buy, and that, my dear brothers and sisters, is the real truth.

 

 

 

Olhos de Gato

 

 
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flowerpower Posted 0:38 on 11 November 2009
Id like to see some pictures please! PS dont slag off China Smack I love that newspaper its tawdry yes but fun
Olhos de Gato Posted 15:09 on 11 November 2009
not slagging off China smack at all, just trying to point out it's pretty niche opinions that do get show cased there!

here's a picture of the lady http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3985434402_8e73db819d.jpg
Luke - video and article here Posted 15:38 on 12 November 2009
http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing-racist-chinese-netizens/

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Olhos de Gato - AMBF vs BMAF Posted 14:57 on 13 November 2009
As much as I hate to bring up the interracial relationships comment bomb, it's interesting to contrast the views in China Smack about the Chinese man with the black girlfriend filmed on the Shanghai metro - it was generally much more positive (and I use that word almost sarcastically)

Any thoughts? One rule for men another for women?
flowerpower Posted 22:43 on 15 November 2009
A cosmopolitan China? I never thought Id see the day when such a phrase would be uttered....Yeah I saw that article too about the chinese man with the black girlfriend, it was hilarious esp what people were posting, including what they were saying about her knees I couldnt believe it. So its true tha Chinese people can be really rude too they just tend to keep it to themselves but cos the nets anonymous they can really say what they want
Olhos de Gato - a deeper reading Posted 11:51 on 16 November 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111401147.html

This article exemplifies the type of discourse that is being banded about, whilst the article is strong in the sense that it looked at first person perspective from both Chinese and Africans, but asides from that it's falls from one dangerous heuristic pit after another.

There's that uncomfortable equation that Race = Obama and also the writers link anti-black racism to anti-tibetan and anti-uyghur sentiments. Anti-uyghur and anti-tibetan sentiments are borderline fascist and comes from a history of positive discrimination (quotas in education, not subject to one child policy, a nuked East China is acceptable loss) and a clumsy push towards celebrating minority culture - Tibetan bars and restaurants are everywhere, Tibetan medicine is fashionable and expensive, everytime you turn on the radio it's some tibetan singing about how lhasa is beautiful, how great that the railways has now been built and how thankful they are to the Party. Whilst I very much doubt that this is the view on the street of Lhasa (as I do the western version of it) for most Hans this is the equivilent of our own cultural genocide. Quite similar to when Tower Hamlets did Guy Fawkes night 2 years ago as a celebration of Syhelti culture and got the country up in arms about political-correctness-gone-mad: innocent enough till the Express hears about it.

Anti-black racism I would argue has been inheritted from Western attitudes. Before mass exposure to black people China's only contact with them is films, films which came about after the fall of the gang of four. Post-opening up, every sunday afternoon the whole nations sits down in front of the TV to savage cannibals trying to eat the brave men of the British army and rape the missionary's daughter, and when we pay to go to the cinema we see blacks as the clown characters, living in inner city slums and getting into trouble with the police. In the 50s and 60s all we saw were brave Angolans fighting for land and freedom against the portuguese - who were worse than incest-prone, AIDS ridden witches, now in 2009 you can bet that Precious will not going to do well in China but Banlieue 13 II will.

There is a very ancient and very Chinese xenophobia built into our psyche, but in my family, and I think many other Communist China families - it's the older generation that is more tolerant having been indoctrinated from birth that the brave coloured people of the tricontinental will defeat our white imperialist overlords.

In China, whilst cousins of mine would make comments about black people being very black and then giggle for hours, my uncles will try to reason with them that this is racism (unknown word to most youth I'm afraid), my grandparents would just beat them. I think our concern as Chinese progressives is not addressing "these ignorant Chinese" but rather what is making our kids racist, and what is the implication of this. Can we be an economic and cultural powerhouse, or even be fundamentally respected as a people, if we are raising a generation that can't wash or cook for themselves, and go around with this 1930s sambo mentality to deal with the world.

Lastly, there is an element of Cantonese bashing as well. True, we do have an insult for everything under the sun that isn't Cantonese but the article is convieniently going with the popular Chinese stereotype that Cantonese people are violent, ignorant and alcoholic small-town thugs, unfit members of the great han race. A view that is gaining prominence as Guangdong is losing it's status as THE place with money and culture to Beijing and Shanghai.
Xuan Di - I would like to join the Commu Posted 21:41 on 19 November 2009
I am interested in joining the Communist Party, but the Consulate-General has not been able to provide me with much information. Hence, I would be most grateful if you could advise me on the correct procedure to join the CCP.
Olhos de Gato Posted 13:01 on 16 November 2009
It is also important to point out that painting the Chinese as a one-sided perpetrator of racism is unfair. Proportionally, calling someone a black devil is not worse than the violence metted out to Chinese people in Nigeria, Angola, Sierra Leone, Algeria, Haiti who are all joining the ranks of the usual suspects of Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, Samoa etc in terms of racial violence, robbery, looting, lynchings and forced conversions.

Despite what the BBC wants us to believe, most Chinese immigrants in Africa and the Caribbeans are from very poor and uneducated backgrounds, trying to make the best of their lives by going abroad.
Chinese Imperialism Posted 16:25 on 22 December 2009
@Olhos de Gato

...And are often there illegally taking jobs providing services to Chinese workers that could be provided by locals. Locals, who the Chinese workers look down upon as lazy, grass skirt wearing, savages. ESPECIALLY the poor Chinese who don't have a decent enough education to know not to sh!t on people in their own country. If you go abroad to a country that is worse off than your own to make a buck or "improve your lot" you are... an imperialist.
Olhos de Gato Posted 17:43 on 3 March 2010
@ Chinese imperialism

Were Black slaves imperialists? After all they were instrumental in changing the language, culture, ecology and even the place names of the Americas and the Caribbeans.

When the reconquista comes and all Whites, Asians and Blacks are thrown out of Aztlan, would you cheer for the Americans?

Would you easily call all the Africans from Nigeria and Lethoso in China imperialists? Before you snap at me I need to remind you these are rich, rich Nigerians from Lagos with BMWs and big houses coming to buy things made by people on 9 hour days and £50 a month.

I admit I don't understand yoruba, but I've come across many Africans talking in English amongst each other referring to these "dumb chinks" in China, thinking we can't understand.

Are you in the UK? Is it legitimate for Whites to attack Blacks since you came here looking for jobs?

Many Chinese workers hate going to Africa, it's true, but a lot of them have no other options if it's the only work open to them.

Are you sure "Chinese workers" all look down on locals as lazy, grass skirt wearing savages? Since when is our system's failing in providing a good education a malicious conspiracy against your people?

Please refrain from stereotyping us our yourself.
dairyman Posted 13:14 on 18 November 2009
Great article, Olhos.
dtks888 - Lou Jing and Fear of a Black C Posted 14:29 on 18 November 2009
Every living person should be forced to watch (with appropriate surtitles) The Incredible Human Journey, charting our ancestors move from Africa across the globe, and our amazing evolution / diversification of skin tones, languages, arts, religions, philosophies and cultures.

The sooner everyone becomes educated and learns that we're all distant cousins, the less racism will raise its ugly little head in the East or West.

Om mani padme om.
Xuan Di - Pax Sinica Posted 22:53 on 19 November 2009
I beg to differ. The fact that we are distant cousins is of no consequence whatsoever. Humans and chimps have a common ancestor, and we have a common DNA of 98% with our primate cousins. Nevertheless, I'm sure the majority of people will agree that homo sapiens are much more intelligent than chimps. Also, the 2% difference in DNA is suffice to prevent any mating between humans and chimps, which is a further signficant oversight we just can't afford. Because all humans have a common ancestor doesn't imply that we're all the same; nor does it imply that all races are equally intelligent. There is a large body of contemporary scientific research which clearly indicates that White people and Orientals are more intelligent than any other race. In other words, Mongoloids are the only (intelligent) race which can challenge the racial supremacy of the White man. We are the only race which can challenge the global hegemony of the White race.

I completely disagree with your argument, because the story of Cain and Abel is not specific to Christianity; but instead, it is a universal moral tenet, which will stand the test of time. Makes no difference whether or not you believe in God; but the fact is, one group of people is held in higher esteem than any other group; although both these groups are closely related.

Hence, I quote from the Bible: "Does the wielder of an Axe not have power over the blade" and "Does the Potter not have power over the clay to exalt one group of people above all others?"

Whether you like it or not, Mongoloids are a superior race compared with Blacks, Semites, Persians, Pakis, Indians, and other dark races across the entire globe:

http://www.dimsum.co.uk/forum/viewpoints/topic-2674.html

According to the University of Oxford, "China is the oldest continuous civilisation in the world, whose achievements in philosophy, literature, art, science and technology stands comparison with that of Europe as a whole." In other words, the Ancient Chinese civilisation is the only civilisation which merits comparison with the pre-industrial civilisation of Europe as a whole. Orientals are the only race which merits comparison with the White peoples of North America and Europe.

In the present tense, we are witness to a paradigm shift, whereupon, the centre of global political power is shifting from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Sooner or later, America must give way to a new superpower, which will be the dominant global superpower of the next hundred years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/23/china-martin-jacques-economics

Like it or not, it is the destiny of all mankind to serve the descendants of Ghenghis Khan who is Universal Leader of the greatest continuous land empire in the history of the world. Believe it or not, our destiny is to rule the world.
Haneen Posted 18:11 on 19 November 2009
Western media sometimes deliberately exaggerate anti-Black racism in China (of course not saying it doesn't exist) in order to divert attention away from racism that exists at home.
corporatelies - Haneen Posted 23:10 on 1 January 2010
i think that comment of yours is quite weak, we all know that racism exists in the west so picking up a story about it in china has nothing to do with diverting attention. i can say with little doubt that Chinese are some of the most racist people i have ever met and I am Chinese and have worked extensively throughout HK and China. There is no denying that fact so face up to it.
Olhos de Gato Posted 12:38 on 20 November 2009
Xuan Di, I don't know whether to take you seriously or not.

Endless years of dogmatism promoted by the Party has led to an intellectual stupour that's allowed all sorts of half-baked, wacky nationalist theories and advocates come to the forefront. Some of them are pork chop nationalists - such as the Hanfu movement (which don't address Chineseness at all), some are a bit cuddly and useless such as the returnee lobby or the confucian revivalists, some are downright dangerous such as this so-called mongoloid superiority.

Firstly, you are falling on western theories - China never thought of itself in terms of race, only culture. If we're so superior, why are you borrowing the white man's ideas? Secondly, This notion of inherent superiority have been seen before; much like manifest destiny of the USA, of Imperial Britain or the racial supremacy advocated by Melanin-supremacists.

These theories disregards the truth that the vast majority of white Americans were living in shanties, whilst poorly paid, alcoholic, gnorrhea ridden soldiers were the ones killing natives, or that the British working class didn't even have food or sewage or that the Black Americas have nothing to do with Kemet, and live in an atavistic revenge mentality so well illustrated by Fanon.

Let's forget this nonsense about ruling the world and concentrate on uplifting our own communities. We have war veterans begging for food in China, women are being raped and killed in papua new guinea and we have families torn apart by takeaway life, gambling and mental health problems here in the UK. This global degradation certainly don't make me feel part of an invincible master race.

The idea that Blacks, Arabs and Latinos will be thankful to have us as their overlords reminds me of black nationalist theories that denigrate the achievements of our people and instead seek to overemphasises individual blacks in our history. This is quite harmless usually, but has dangerous historical precedence. The Russian defeat by Japan led to Marcus Garvey (I respect him in every other way) pumping money into the Japanese war machine, sponsoring the massacre of millions of Chinese.

No matter what the faults of the Communist party, be it its endemic careerism, oppression, ideological ruin or its crisis of validity - the likes of you racists don't belong in there. The constitution and policies of the party prohibits it; and I shall find it very odious if such fascists ideas are destroying a legacy of a multi-ethnic, internationalist party of the toilers. With all due respects, I shudder at the idea of you being in it.

Haneen - right on.
Juicybite - Short and sweet Posted 2:19 on 21 November 2009
In complete darkness we are all the same. It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates up. Don't let your eyes deceive you...
Olhos de Gato Posted 13:48 on 23 November 2009
Unbelievable

IQ is NOT a scientific fact, it's an intangible measurement of the human mind itself. Science is pure conjecture, taken as fact until it's superceeded by another framework. You mentioned that creationism was the truth. I put to you that similar to creationism, IQ does not exist, IQ is a historically specific idea that contemporary society uses. Look at the developments in psychoanalysis, Jung, Freud and Adler all paid little attention to IQ. Even taking it at face value, the consensus generally is that it does not represent a vocabulary of choices as you suggested, nor is it is inheritted - neither from your parents nor your phenotype.

IQ tests itself are utterly flawed, this is not a racial issue but a cultural one. IQ tests are biased and pander to white knowledge, and we Asians compensate by having a particularly strong emphasis on education. Modern IQ tests may be more subtle, you won't see for example questions about yachting in the old 11 plus that doomed so many working class students, but none the less it's still cultural capital all contributes to achievements. The strong Asian work ethic persists in this country because our children are isolated and racially stranded, and also due to the aspirations of the community here. If this is a racial thing divorced from the social surrounding then there will be no reason for us Chinese to underperform so massively in the Malaysian education system or how the situation for us is getting worse in Russia day by day.

IQ tests are no measurement of intelligence and some intrinsic racial intelligence (should this even exist) does not equal to geopolitical power, or its potential. If IQ does correlate to race as you so crudely suggest, why does geopolitical power shift through the epochs? How does the enlightenment and the reformation arm the Europeans with the social structures which allowed them to dominate so much of the world? Did they get smart quick? Why did we stagnate in the Ming dynasty? Did we suddenly get stupid? Contemporary white supremacy is enforced not by intelligence nor the products of intelligence, the tricontinental were underdeveloped by the rise of capitalism, our underdevelopment IS the global economy - not a result of it. The dwindling of influence, and eventual demise of medieval political capitals such as Changan, Angkor Wat, Tikal, Abomey, Gao etc is due to very specific circumstances; not some overarching failure of values devised by the ignorant or a generation of particularly stupid babies.

The claim that there is no African or Aboriginal scientists is frankly laughable, where did you get this source from? Sure, I accept and concord that many afro-supremacist myths disregard the actual history of science and technology but to denigrating the contributions of other Asians, Africans and Americans to the world's bank of knowledge is astonishing.

I know exactly what dialectics is, but this is a bit Hegelian for my liking since we are dealing with values, ideas, zeitgeist and what not. I believe the way you think has been already been addressed by certain writers that you pertain to admire....

SOME white people have ruled the world including other white people for the last 500 years, I don't think that it's "racially impossible" (as this is what you think I am suggesting) that SOME chinese people will rule the world including other chinese people for the next 500 or so - I am saying that this has nothing to do with the inferiority of other races, but more importantly this does not represent progress for us AS A PEOPLE.

I certainly don't mean this as a personal attack, but you sound like you're just trying to justify how you don't like those Hak Gwei in a nice, pseudo-intellectual way. That being said, I do think you should write an article and let the community discuss this. Maybe we'll have our very own Kenneth Eng.
Chinese Imperialism Posted 16:49 on 22 December 2009
Thank you for pointing out the stupidity of IQ tests and using them as a demonstration of the superiority of one race over another. After all race is a social construct with very little important biological difference. The low scores on IQ tests by African Americans and such groups can be easily seen as cultural bias in testing. Besides there are many types of intelligence. Look into the theory of multiple intelligences.
Olhos de Gato Posted 13:48 on 23 November 2009
http://www.skepdic.com/iqrace.html
Anonymous Posted 2:13 on 3 December 2009
HAHA, DAUGHTER OF A SHANGHAI CHINESE MOTHER AND FATHER IS BLACK AMERICAN!! HAHA, THATS FUNNY, TOTALLY FULFILLS THE STEREOTYPE ABOUT SHANGHAI WOMEN SCREWING AND MARRYING ANY AMERICAN WITH AMERICAN DOLLARS.

JUICYBITE "In complete darkness we are all the same..." HAHA, IN COMPLETE DARKNESS YOU'LL BE SLEEPING WITH HORSES THEN, SINCE EVERYTHING IS BLACK.

IN MODERATE DARKNESS, WE'RE NOT THE SAME, WE CAN ONLY SEE A PAIR OF FLOATING EYES AND WHITE TEETH FROM BLACKS IN THE MODERATE DARK.
Anonymous Posted 9:47 on 10 December 2009
the article is the most bias crap i've ever read. you dedicated a whole paragraph on chinese racism against blacks resulting in black deaths in china. Really? why don't you talk about the deaths of chinese who were attacked by blacks in china. and indeed in africa, where many chinese workers are targeted by black locals...attacked and murdered too causing many to argue china should withdraw its investment from africa until security is tightened up. You dont talk about this do you?

Why dont you talk about the racial abuse blacks give chinese people in the USA?

You also failed to mention the fact that Loujing's mother was married to a chinese man. she secretly had an affair with a black man without her husband knowing, her chinese husband only knew and decided to divorced her after she gave birth to a black baby. You dont mention this, do you? Thats is absolutely disgusting behaviour and quite frankly as a chinese, i'm assuming youre chinese (but i bet youre mixed) am appauled by her mothers behaviour. For such a skank to come on national TV like that. You havent even discuss social morality nor have you discussed confucianism in china, you automatically say the chinese are racist. they would still attack her even if she had an affair with a chinese man instead of a black man. its not at all completely driven by race, its a question of morality and values which has simply been accentuated by the race factor.
Chinese Imperialism Posted 16:44 on 22 December 2009
Lou Jing's mother was a college student when she met the man who abandoned her and her daughter. She wasn't married. Go make up lies somewhere else...
Anonymous Posted 7:39 on 6 January 2010
Chinese Imperialism Posted 16:44 on 22 December 2009

Lou Jing's mother was a college student when she met the man who abandoned her and her daughter. She wasn't married. Go make up lies somewhere else...

INCORRECT. SHE was MARRIED to chinese party secretary.
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/09/22/birth-story-of-shanghai-black-girl-luo-jing/

It was half a year into their marriage, that Lou Jing’s mom attended the Shanghai Chemical Enginnering University (Now called å?Žä¸œç?†å·¥å¤§å­¦, too lazy to find the translation), had sexual relationship with a black man, and conceived Lou Jing.
Xuan Di - Disclaimer Posted 11:01 on 11 December 2009
This is just to let you know I am NOT the anonymous contributor of the last two threads.
Cole - It's the singing Posted 12:12 on 12 December 2009
Just by watching the video and listen to her singing, I don't think it's the skin colour that put her down, it's really the singing.
good grief Posted 15:36 on 13 December 2009
why is everyone being so judgemental? Is it really such a big deal. We all know that everyones a little bit racist its just a fact of life.
Olhos de Gato - face-saving vs anti-racism Posted 16:06 on 15 December 2009
Anonymous, kindly re-read the article carefully. I was addressing "THE CHINESE ARE SO RACIST OMFG" hype that dominated mainstream international newspapers for this very inconsequential issue.

The article is a response to the RACIST, "THESE chinese", yellow peril stereotype being perpetuated by that kind of irresponsible discourse.

Your trying to say that everyone in China looks down on divorce, affairs, infidelity and burst hymens etc as some sort of racial face-saving excercise is.... well.... I think you just need to wake up and smell the discarded condoms.

Cole gets it, Cole reads. As for anti-Chinese attacks, I DID mention it. Read the comments before you start with the horse-f***ing and mongrel blood. You're just giving CNN more fodder.

Don't worry Xuan Di - I know it's not you.
Olhos de Gato Posted 11:39 on 18 December 2009
hahahahahahaha

Sorry to burst your bubble, im a pure blood, mainland born and bred chinese. Thought I wouldn't mention it just so we can all see your racist rants. After all, it's racially impossible for us to disagree with you. Lol!

Our sisters have no racial duty to f*** you, don't slag off "Shanghai" or the diaspora just coz you get none. Calling our women bitches is not going to improve your stand in their eyes either. Lastly don't insult Chinese men so blanketly, we're not all as narrow minded spiteful as you.
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Meh Posted 22:54 on 3 January 2010
Wait, whites have been doing this for decades, nay centuries. Where are the anti-white riots?

And racism is everywhere, every race and with every possible combination in every country. Politically it's a lot more simpler, but on a personal level anyone can (and does) hate other races just because they can.
Bruce Li - Xuan Di Posted 5:57 on 14 January 2010
You are a fool without a clue. God will punish you for your views. Everybody is equal no matter what race or colour you are.
jason - oj Posted 21:41 on 20 January 2010
this is a cuty girl
hoho
Rickisha Posted 23:42 on 24 January 2010
It's interesting how flippantly you dismissed the anti-black racism that does occur in China. As a black female who lived and traveled in China for two years I know what it feels like to be black and in China. I was never bothered by the stares and unwanted touching I received when I traveled along with Chinese or white friends, it was when I was by myself that I realized the extent to which anti-black prejudice exists in China.

Alone I was subject to rude comments and racial slurs daily (I speak very good Chinese). Comments that I was "dirty" that blacks "don't shower" that I was a hei gui (黑鬼)were daily occurrences. You have no idea how alone I felt in China having never heard that the Chinese held prejudices against blacks before.

It is only recently that I know I was not alone in my experience and I am currently writing my Undergraduate thesis on this topic. I know it's important to point out that the Chinese are not heartless racist monsters. To stereotype anyone or any race as such is disgusting. But to be an apologist. To claim that the Chinese aren't really racist, but curious is a disgusting understatement and offensive to all blacks who have suffered prejudice day in and day out in China.
Olhos de Gato - @ rickisha Posted 16:19 on 3 March 2010
Hi Rickisha,

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. I actually do agree that anti-black racism is strong in China. I do not believe I have tried to deny this in my article, what I have addressed is the essentialist portrayal of my people as unthinking robots that fit neatly in the Black/White dichotomy.

I would like to point out a couple of things, firstly that anti-black racism is not limited to Chinese in China, many well-educated Chinese people in the West harbour similar prejudices either openly or behind close doors. Secondly, anti-Asian racism by black people is very strong too across the world too. I have experienced this personally in Brazil, the USA, Nigeria and of course here in the UK. I do not believe my experiences are any more or less legitimate than yours.

The recent anti-immigrant violence in South Philadelphia schools, Ching-Chong riddim that was released a few years back in Jamaica, racially targeted attacks by gangs in Hackney on DVD sellers and arson on South London estates are some examples of this racism edified in culture. As a community centre worker of many years I have dealt with the Chinese victims of black racists on literally hundreds of occasions. This is not an irrelevant blip on the radar either.

Whilst afro-asian solidarity as described by Mao, Fanon or Malcolm X, or the spirit of Bandung, is a nice ideal, we have to face the (racist) realities that we both live. I agree that it's a deeply worrying issue for both our peoples, but to deem anti-black or anti-yellow racism as a no-go area for writers would be to do the issue an even bigger disservice.

I am sorry if you felt offended by the article or that I've come across flippant in anyway, it was not the intention. However, I do not agree that I have been some sort apologist for Chinese racism. Nowhere did I say the Chinese is not racist, I’m merely pointing out the proliferation of this story by the world media. This IS an issue about what the powers that be deem to be “worthwhile” news. I also find it a bit untoward that when I’m accused of racism when I am sharing firsthand experiences as well as highlighting anti-racist Chinese voices.

My aim of this article is to unwind and expose some of the racist and Orientalist undertones in the discourse about racism in Chinese society by both white liberals and black nationalists (particularly those in both categories with no knowledge of contemporary Chinese society beyond sporadic newspaper reports). How do you think that I, as a human being, react to comments such as “no surprise from these dog-eating simpletons” or “without the ORIGINAL kemetic source of civilisation, the Chinese will still be living in caves”. You will see that in the comments thread, I have had to also fight against the equally delusional, misguided and hateful Fenqing response.

As the father of a Blasian child, I do agree anti-black racism has not been adequately dealt with by the Chinese language media either in China or the Diaspora, there has certainly not been a black voice articulating their experiences. I sincerely hope that you will write a response article to this to stimulate more awareness and encourage healthy debate.
Lady Hakga - Bad science Posted 17:30 on 25 January 2010
Now that is what I call a good lively blog I like to read not some of the other boring stuff.
My inflated Zen comment is that there are racists and non-racist. I prefer racism not to exist but it doesn't alas. As for objectivity Tiger Woods who is half chinese/black should of been used as judge because when it comes to judging beautiful women his predictability is scientific.
TeaganTea - Xuan Di- Idiot alert!!! Posted 20:23 on 20 February 2010
Xuan Di, why do u try to put Asians in the same group as whites? U are not the same. U look down on Blacks but don't u know whites look down on you & see u as subhuman? Even the fact that Chinese eat cats & dogs & do not mux very well with other races. My next door neighbour is arab & we also have indian neighbours. Everybody is accepted as equal. But Chinese are too busy trying to look down on blacks to notice they r the only ones that are left to integrate with aminstream society. I'm from England, so trust me I know. White people here would rather mix with black or indians than Chinese.
Andy Wang - TeaganTea - Get back to your c Posted 0:14 on 15 July 2010
Hey, you f***ing Nigger, what are you doing in this country?

Your Mum is a BLACK BITCH, that's why you're a PAKI.

SHIT be upon the PROPHET MOHAMMED. The Koran is SHIT.
Anonymous Posted 18:28 on 22 February 2010
Shocking shocking views from Xuan Di. ..to be so unhappy as to hate so much. To try to use intellectual arguments to trash other human beings.. hard to believe. I am very old, and feel sorry to have lived this long to witness this. 5,000 years of our Chinese civilisation and culture seems to hardly have touched this person. Read with more wisdom not with so much loathing.
Olhos de Gato - the true conspiracy theory Posted 17:19 on 3 March 2010
Xuan Di is not Chinese... Just thought I'd throw that out there. See what happens, haha.
Olhos de Gato Posted 18:04 on 3 March 2010
Actually the more I read it, the more convinced I am of this.

Some white nationalist on a little e-jihad trying to stir up some racial tension.

No Chinese would refer to the great Empire of Japan - irregardless of political alignment. Nor most Chinese know who Enoch Powell is, let alone look up to him.
Olhos de Gato Posted 18:05 on 3 March 2010
No Fenqing would say the PLA can't kill all whites either...
Olhos de Gato Posted 18:07 on 3 March 2010
no Chinese in the UK, no matter how rabidly anti-white/black/whatever, immigration status or what they do back in the home country looks forward to deportation

and the Sieg (Victory) Heil (Hail) at the end is just... well... a bit stormfront.
Editor Posted 18:27 on 3 March 2010
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mei lin Posted 12:36 on 24 May 2010
Haven't visited this site for a while and quite shocked and disgusted to read some of this filth written by rather pathetic and inadequate 'anonymous' individuals. This appears to be tolerated by the community.

CAN"T SPELL, POOR GRAMMAR, HOPELESS PUNCTUATION .

Wouldn't last 5 mins in China .

Please , isn't there any way contributors can report postings such as that above via a neat button ?
luke - to mei Posted 22:48 on 3 June 2010
mei lin wrote:
Please, isn't there any way contributors can report postings such as that above via a neat button ?


Hi Mei Lin

This is something that we are actively looking to add to our commenting system. We hope to have this as part of the upcoming Dimsum.co.uk revamp, if not before. In the meantime, comments can be reported by email to moderator@dimsum.co.uk.

Thanks

Luke
Mark K - Chinese girls have been easy f Posted 16:43 on 24 May 2010
I really love this dimsum.co.uk ... you people in England really don't hold back on your opinions, I like that. I am Chinese and I come from a non-English speaking country in Europe, so don't pay attention to my bad English.

And my comment to this article is that non article had the complete story about this Lou Jing except for this site: http://wocview.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/johnson-chinese-reality-show-prompts-look-at-race/

And in my opinion...any foreigner...regardless if you are black or white has got an easy time getting Chinese girls. And it doesn't even have to be in China. From the looks of it, you can even have a new Chinese girlfriend every week, if you are a foreigner.
clegg Posted 18:54 on 26 May 2010
My few Greek Euros worth...If you going to present an article like this, you are bound to attract nutters. Olhos de Gato makes many good points but I can also see loopholes in his arguments, which I won't expose because I don't want to gave the unkind dissenting voices the know-how in how to win the intellectual arguments. Olhos de Gato doesn't help by being a touch arrogant and preaching in inflaming the debate, but it is passionate. I think most people can suss out who the wind-up merchants are. The problem with censorship (which has a place done correctly), is it will make the poster more angry and will get back at you and there some serious nutters out there on this evidence. On the other hand these comments bad as some of them are, they say something about race and the way people talk about it. Its edgy stuff.
Anonymous Posted 19:02 on 7 June 2010
Just to add this could of been a really good debate about race, without the waffle and offensive remarks. Just to change tack a bit, I am chinese and once dated a black person B4, I got uncomfortable stares almost everywhere by chinese, black and white folk. When I was a college student i use to give a lift to a fellow black student who shared my interest for cult black literature, my car got vandalised by jealous gangsters type kids from the same college. However my conclusion today is most people are indifferent about race, i have faith that most people are essentially good.
Michael Wong - Genesis 4:2-16 Posted 9:28 on 13 June 2010
The story of Cain and Abel is a timeless tale of sibling rivalry between close kindred nations. Although Cain and Abel are de facto siblings it is an irrefutable fact that one race is superior to the other. Consequently, the history of civilization is a history of struggle between close kindred nations, which is to decide the question of the birthright. Hence, the question of "Who shall inherit the earth?" is the ulterior theme behind the history of conflict, strife, and warfare between close kindred nations.

"I have loved you, said the LORD. Yet you say, Wherein have you loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? said the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. (Malachi 1:2-3)"

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13)"

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (Romans 9:14)"

“For he said to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. (Romans 9:15)”

“No but, O man, who are you that reply against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus? (Romans 9:20)”

“Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (Romans 9:21)”

Barack Obama said that Iran would never be allowed to have nuclear weapons as long as he is President of the United States. Iran's would be nuclear ambitions would no doubt trigger a regional arms race in the Middle East, which is inimical to our concept of the balance of powers in this region.

Long live Israel. Long live the U.S. and it's allies. Death to Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al-Qaeda.

DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
haha michael wong Posted 17:21 on 8 July 2010
olhos de gato is biased because his gf for whom he has a blasian child with is black. ewwww, what did i hear that right? his gf is an NIGGER! ewww, how can anyone even go down on nigggers pussy. ewww, its gross.

obviously olhos de gato is an self-hating chinese wannabe black. if he wasnt he wouldnt have emigrated to the uk from china for no reason and he wouldnt have had sex with a nigger. hes an dirty mainland bastard.
tenten Posted 9:46 on 6 August 2010
Dude , you're the one who
s disgusting. People are people, get a life. :p You're just mad cuz you're not getting any haha~
Michael Wong - Romans 9:13 Posted 0:26 on 15 July 2010
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13)"

What does that mean? God loves "Gwei loh, but he hates Hak Gwei." God loves White folk (Isaac, the true son of Abraham, and heir to God's kingdom), but he hates people of colour (e.g. Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham who is the second patriach of Mohammed and all Arabic peoples). God loves Christendom, but he hates Islamic culture. God loves Christians, but he hates Muslims. God loves White women (Sarah: Jewish American Princess), but he hates women of colour (Hagar: slave girl from Egypt). God loves straight people, but he hates Gay people. God loves able bodied people, but he hates disabled people. God loves the religious right, but he hates the political left...etc.

God bless America. Long live Israel. Death to the enemies of Israel and the United States of America.
XiaoXiao - this Posted 15:53 on 31 July 2010
Some extreme views here you peeps need to get in the real world and stop hating it.

Sounds like a few cases of small penis syndrome.
LDG - A bunch a real fruit loops her Posted 2:03 on 5 November 2010
Man, Stormfront and others are quite busy here..even on a Chinese site in English! Sad actually, if these posters are NOT from those internet hate groups..;-(
fane - lou jing Posted 15:56 on 29 December 2010
i would like to write lou jing a letter in good faith. whats her email address

my e-mail address fane_alfred@yahoo.com
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