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Saturday, 06 December 2008

Andrew Mellor interviews the founder of Visible Chinese, Mark Wu.

DS: What are the aims of Visible Chinese?

MW: Visible Chinese aims to become an authoritative independent listing of achievers within the UK's Chinese Culture. Pretty much like a 'Who's Who' guide. It attempts to highlight individuals and represent the UK Chinese Culture's past and present.

It's mission statement consists of:

  1. To be comprehensive (Through all walks of life and subjects)
  2. To operate with integrity (Candidates are carefully screened and selected)
  3. To provide recognition (Profiles will inform, celebrate and inspire)

DS: How did the concept come about and why do you think the community such a website?

MW: There are a number of issues affecting the UK Chinese community, such as being too silent, not enough role models and not being equally represented in public life. Having met and worked with "active" UK Chinese individuals who I felt were making a difference for the community and were also addressing these issues, I felt that it would really help if the rest of the community knew what they were doing and could have access to this information easily. After all - its "who you know". Creating a website to highlight these individuals made sense.

The concept of listing profiles is easy to grasp and understand straight away, so it was an idea that was simple to convey, and ultimately, simple to realise.

I think it would be brash to say that the community needs something like Visible Chinese, seeing it has been moving along without it. But I do think that given time and growth, the site can be an excellent reference point for the UK Chinese community, not just in documenting and showcasing the culture's talent, but also for networking and to create awareness of the culture for the wider UK public too.

All profiles need a portrait photo. It helps to put a name to a face, particularly if you've heard of someone but never met them. In addition, someone I met who had seen the site mentioned how it was useful to see what people looked like in order to help recognise them at a future networking event.

I also steadily receive enquiries for the individuals (which I forward on) that range from possible speaking engagements, nominations for awards, and even from someone who wanted to analyse the bilingual names of Chinese personalities!

With the 'profile guestbook' feature, visitors can also leave messages which will hopefully get people talking, although they're welcome to leave fan mail for some of our famous film and tv stars as well!

DS: What is you background and how has that inspired you to create the website?

MW: My background is in design and art direction for digital media.

In the last decade, I've been a Director of my co-founded design company Kibook Interactive Design, which at its peak in the dot-com boom, grew to eight people plus freelancers.

Some of our clients were British Chinese organisations such as Yellow Earth Theatre and The Pearl Foundation (The Pearl Awards) and that was great for me personally, to be able to tap into my own culture professionally.

Promoting Chinese culture in the UK is something I am passionate about, partly encouraged by being involved with the work of Yellow Earth and The Pearl Foundation. I'm quite "hands on" with my work, so the idea of Visible Chinese came about through being inspired to do something for the community coupled with knowing that I could make it happen.

I'm quite happy with the name too, which simple as it is, still came about through hours of brainstorming and discussion. It describes literally what the site is about and gives a nod to the perceived invisibility of the Chinese community.

DS: How does someone get on Visible Chinese? Do you have set criteria?

MW: The criteria for appearing on Visible Chinese is quite straight forward - individuals should simply have contributed to the UK's Chinese culture in some way. This could be as part of their job, an initiative they've taken or voluntary work that they do. Or they simply could be very successful and as a result, raise the profile of the UK Chinese culture.

I began the site with stricter criteria, but with some feedback from colleagues, realised that some hard working individuals who have done good work, might be left out. I thought it would be good to have a mix of high profile individuals as well as the unsung heroes of our communities, and hence the criteria is very simple and easy to judge with. The aim really, is to include as many deserving people as possible.

DS: Do you hope seeing these leaders of their respective industries in your website will inspire future generations of Chinese and BBCs?

MW: Definitely. I think a lot of good can come about through showcasing what these achievers have done. Not just with how far they've gone, but also with the nature of their achievement.

A wide variety of people profiled from all walks of life and subjects will hopefully mean that future generations of Chinese and BBC's will find someone who they can aspire to as well as find out what is possible and what others in their community are doing.

DS: Have there been any negatives when working on the website? Are people's reactions always positive? Has anyone ever said they didn't want to be on the website?

MW: People's reactions have been positive so far from what they tell me and what I've heard, although since the UK Chinese Community is meant to be the "silent minority", who knows what they're really thinking?!

However, the site idea is simple, positive and not controversial in any way, so I'd be surprised if it did garner negative criticism.

The only down side I've come across, is that usually, people are happy to be featured on there, but it can take forever to get information for a profile out of them. I'd always assumed that people are happy to talk about themselves but I guess the Chinese in the UK are a modest lot.

Which brings me to a couple of people who didn't want to be featured. Although I thought they were well within reason to be, they felt that they didn't deserve to be showcased on Visible Chinese, and that it wasn't their time.

Although the site showcases people, I think its a shame when potential candidates are too modest or want to stay out of public view. Their inclusion could well influence and inspire a young visitor to the site as well as add to the presentation of the UK Chinese culture as a successful one to the wider UK population.

One approach to the profiles which I sometimes suggest to potential candidates is to write more objectively about what it is that they do, and give exposure to the initiatives and organisations they do it for. Having a profile is great for getting more exposure to good causes as well as for their own businesses.

DS: What are your plans for the future? How do you see the site in 3 years time? Would you ever consider making it bilingual?

MW: When I created the site, I intended it to be an ongoing, long-term project. There's nothing I dislike more than a useful site that I'd once seen on the net, disappear several years down the line, particularly if it doesn't take much to keep them online. This won't happen to Visible Chinese however, as adding profiles doesn't take long and the cost of keeping it running isn't much either. At the very least, I'd like to keep the site going as a useful reference for the community.

At the most, I'm juggling several ideas around with regards to expanding the site and its functionality. For instance, there could be a possibility of adding more of a community aspect to the site. There is branding potential with using the name "Visible" to expand to other ethnic groups. And I wouldn't rule out a print edition either.

A bilingual website is also possible, though its a matter of resources and whether the work is justified for a UK website.Visible Chinese was developed primarily for a UK, English reading audience, although a Chinese version would open up communication channels for people in China who are interested in the UK.

For now, there's a lot to do in terms of adding more profiles to the site. Wider exposure for Visible Chinese is essential for more people to see the site and submit their profiles or recommend someone they think should go on there.

Any constructive feedback is also always welcome as well as hearing from people who might be interested in helping develop Visible Chinese further. Ultimately, its a site for the community and I'm interested in making it better.

For further information, please visit visiblechinese.com.

 
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Zac Zheng Posted 16:29 on 6 December 2008
Visible Chinese is an interesting website with a good brand name. You have a number of individuals on there already, I can't wait to see it blossom.

Here are my initial impressions:
- The design is bland and can do with some colours and razzmatazz.

- Although you have much content, this is not clear on the initial visit. Perhaps a number representing entries next to category headings.

- It is not clear whether persons on homepage are there because they were recently added. Perhaps showcase people in different ways to liven up the homepage. e.g. feature one category per month; do a 'today in history'

All the best.

Zac
Mark Wu Posted 1:44 on 8 December 2008
Hi Zac,

Thanks for your comments on Visible Chinese. The second and third point are good suggestions so I'll be trying to incorporate them in future updates to the site!

I'm not sure I'd agree with "bland" as a description of the design however. Its meant to be understated as I feel the profile content is more important than the visual design of the site.

I can understand a time and place for more colours and razzmatazz, and indeed there might be room for this on Visible Chinese in the future. But for now, I'd prefer the profiles to be the focus for visitors and not have the design "shout" at them!
David - Missing people Posted 12:27 on 8 December 2008
I think this website is great and hope it continues to grow. But it is a shame some people are missing because they don't want to be included.

Two people that I can see that are obviously missed are Alexa Chung (presenter on Gok's Fashion Fix and others) and Alan Yau (restaurateur).

Do you actually need their permission to include them? Perhaps you can include them but with limited info and only public domain images so that the list can be as complete as possible.
Mark Wu - Re: Missing people Posted 19:16 on 8 December 2008
Hi David,

Thanks for your comments too. Alot of people are missing from the site actually, and that's only because they haven't been contacted yet, they've been contacted but have yet to send in their profile, or they simply haven't responded yet.

We've only had 2 people decline being listed. The site is very much a continual work in progress, so will definitely grow, the speed of which depends on the voluntary time put into the site's development.

Both Alexa and Alan are actually on the list for future contact or profile creation. In most cases, we've contacted and obtained profiles from people directly, but with the higher profile individuals who are simply too busy, we've sometimes gone ahead to create basic profiles first.
David Posted 15:47 on 9 December 2008
Thanks Mark for the reply, keep up the good work. I have now subscribed to the RSS feed for updates so will keep an eye on it.
Yamchafan - Alexa Chung Posted 19:16 on 29 January 2009
I really hope Mark Wu does not take the suggestion that adding Alexa Chung onto his website is a good idea! She has got to be one of the most talentless individuals on tv. Essentially known for being a "fashion icon" and foul language not to mention a bimbo without the looks is certainly not a person anyone would want to emulate except for, i assume, daydreaming celebrity wannabe's, in which case good luck to you!
szeto-chow - the real Chinese way Posted 21:50 on 29 January 2009
I was always taught the Chinese were humble and modest in their achievements and they would speak for themselves..
My Great grandfather gave shelter in HK for many people from his village in Hoi Ping when the war started and he never asked for anything but was humble. To this day many families remember his kindness and humility which in turn they treat me and my family with respect. I think that is far greater than an entry in a book.

Forgive my cynical nature but isnt this a who who are a tatler list for those who want to shout about who they are an what they have done?

Personally I think more resources time and money are better spent on helping Chinese settle into Britain and to maintain the languages Cantonese and Mandarin for the next generations. Thats cultural.
Mark Wu - Replies Posted 15:16 on 6 April 2009
Hi Yamchafan,

Alexa Chung is on the list to consider but you bring up some valid opinions, so she may not make it onto Visible Chinese.

Hi szeto-chow,

You probably weren't the only person to be taught that, and from my experience most Chinese are humble and modest. However, that won't always help with progressing one's prospects or community - I'm considering all aspects of modern life here.

Your great grandfather sounds like a really good person, really an unsung hero and helped alot of people during a difficult time. In turn your family are treated with alot of respect as you say, but does anyone outside of these families know about his kindness? I wonder whether greater awareness of his kindness would set an example for other people to follow. This is one of the things I'd love Visible Chinese to show.

Visible Chinese is also about looking at the wider community and there are so many aspects to the idea.

Regards your interpretation of Visible Chinese, some may see it as such, and indeed some may request a profile to shout about what they do. But in fact, the majority of people on there are suggested by people other than themselves and once contacted, are usually quite humble themselves about the selection. I personally feel that the idea of Visible Chinese has many more plus points, and I don't believe there is a site like this out there on the web.

I like your cultural ideas and I hope someone undertakes them. Personally, I'm the wrong person for the job. What I do is create websites and so I diverted my abilities into creating Visible Chinese. What I'm trying to say is that its not one or the other, but one or nothing and I'd prefer to at least be doing something for the Chinese in the UK.
KYU - Keep it al up! Posted 16:09 on 18 July 2009
What you doing is very important for the Chinese in Britain, keep up the good work! hopefully I could be one of those people in the future!! haha
EBea - Alexa Chung - who are we kiddi Posted 8:18 on 5 February 2011
Are we really sure that Alexa Chung really qualifies as being Chinese in any way? I'm a NZ Chinese who used to live in London, and the general view is that Alexa Chung doesn't particularly strike us (ethnically-Chinese students in U of Lon.) as being Chinese. I doubt she even goes visiting relatives during Chinese New Year (or even bothering to take leave on that day), or at least, speak some Mandarin.

I don't mean to be this harsh, but the question I want to ask is: Does Alexa Chung qualify as really being part of us - she seems to be wholly uninterested in embracing her Chinese roots. Correct me if I'm wrong... but at least Katie Leung (梁佩诗) would be better.

Just saying.
Anonymous Posted 5:07 on 11 March 2011
the Alexa chung question is answered here on this british born chinese blog.
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/03/mixed-race-chinese-those-of-chinese.html
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